ophicleide
Dec 22 2008, 08:56 PM
On Christmas morning I've been asked to play at a local church after Mass at my own church. The congregation are used to singing the above... just wondered if anyone has ever used it? Is it easy? I'll probably get just 10 mins to look through it before the service!
Thanks!
Ophecleide
bourdon16
Dec 22 2008, 09:43 PM
It's a doddle. Based on the new World Symphony, Elijah, Brahms' 1, Largo (Handel) (which is the Sanctus) but you will need to know which of the alternatives they use as the Sanctus is also set to Elijah. Lord's Prayer (if used) is set to Beethoven's Pathetique. You'll either love it or hate it. VERY sight-readable but useful to know what tempo they like it at.
Holz Gedeckt
Dec 23 2008, 12:04 AM
QUOTE(bourdon16 @ Dec 22 2008, 09:43 PM)

It's a doddle. Based on the new World Symphony, Elijah, Brahms' 1, Largo (Handel) (which is the Sanctus) but you will need to know which of the alternatives they use as the Sanctus is also set to Elijah. Lord's Prayer (if used) is set to Beethoven's Pathetique. You'll either love it or hate it. VERY sight-readable but useful to know what tempo they like it at.
I feel sick already....
liebe_klavier
Dec 23 2008, 12:38 AM
QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ Dec 23 2008, 12:04 AM)

QUOTE(bourdon16 @ Dec 22 2008, 09:43 PM)

It's a doddle. Based on the new World Symphony, Elijah, Brahms' 1, Largo (Handel) (which is the Sanctus) but you will need to know which of the alternatives they use as the Sanctus is also set to Elijah. Lord's Prayer (if used) is set to Beethoven's Pathetique. You'll either love it or hate it. VERY sight-readable but useful to know what tempo they like it at.
I feel sick already....


i think it's rather scary as well........
fsharpminor
Dec 23 2008, 08:14 AM
Sounds awful. Reminds me when, for the hymn 'There is a green hill far away' the Minister wanted it to the tune of 'House of the Rising Sun' (a den of iniquity), though it does fit perfectly.
Barry Williams
Dec 23 2008, 05:08 PM
The idea of the 'parody' mass setting is centuries old. More recently, Paul Trepte has written a setting based on a hymn tune, as has Martin How.
The real issue is good taste - or the lack of it. The current texts of the 'Common Worship' Holy Communion are unlikely to inspire great music.
Barry Williams.
guilmant
Dec 23 2008, 10:21 PM
QUOTE(fsharpminor @ Dec 23 2008, 08:14 AM)

Sounds awful. Reminds me when, for the hymn 'There is a green hill far away' the Minister wanted it to the tune of 'House of the Rising Sun' (a den of iniquity), though it does fit perfectly.
OK, but how about 'O Jesus I have promised' to the tune of 'The Muppets'. Love it or hate it, you won't fail to be amused!
Holz Gedeckt
Dec 23 2008, 10:39 PM
QUOTE(guilmant @ Dec 23 2008, 10:21 PM)

QUOTE(fsharpminor @ Dec 23 2008, 08:14 AM)

Sounds awful. Reminds me when, for the hymn 'There is a green hill far away' the Minister wanted it to the tune of 'House of the Rising Sun' (a den of iniquity), though it does fit perfectly.
OK, but how about 'O Jesus I have promised' to the tune of 'The Muppets'. Love it or hate it, you won't fail to be amused!
ophicleide
Dec 26 2008, 11:34 AM
Love it or hate it? I'll hate it!
Thanks all for your posts.
I totally agree that the current HC Order One texts are very ininspiring.
Barry Williams
Dec 26 2008, 11:45 AM
Unusually, I played for a midnight service of Holy Communion, to help a parish out in an emergency. The service was said, despite the presence of a large and competent choir. I was told that the Vicar prefers it that way.
All the hymns were taken from a volume entitled 'Sing Glory', edited by Messrs Baughan and Saward of Jubilate Hymns. (The 'Hymns Old and New' brigade.) The volume is published by Kevin Mayhew.
Predictably, all the 'thees' and 'thous' had been carefully expunged but many other syntactic archaisms left untouched. New verses have been written and many other alterations made that directly contradicted the stated purpose of 'modernising' the hymns.
The tunes were all set very low, so we used 'Carols for Choirs' for most of the hymns and those that I played from 'Sing Glory' I transposed into higher keys, still well within the congregational range, but not "singing in the boots".
But the real point is that the congregation sang the usual versions of the words, ignoring the new versions completely!
Barry Williams
guilmant
Dec 26 2008, 12:00 PM
QUOTE(Barry Williams @ Dec 26 2008, 11:45 AM)

But the real point is that the congregation sang the usual versions of the words, ignoring the new versions completely!
A frequent occurrence with my old choir using Hymns Old and New. Just trying doing Angel Voices from HON when some had been A and M'ing for the best part of 50 years!
maggiemay
Dec 28 2008, 10:16 PM
Midnight -
1) Of the father's heart begotten
2) The first nowell
3) O little town
4) O come all ye faithful
nos 1, 3 and 4 with descants
I reckon we were relatively fortunate.
maggiemay
Dec 28 2008, 10:41 PM
QUOTE(dcmbarton @ Dec 28 2008, 10:38 PM)

QUOTE(maggiemay @ Dec 28 2008, 10:16 PM)

I reckon we were relatively fortunate.
Sounds like heaven!
Yep - it sometimes feels close! We did a Mozart mass too, and Haydn St Nicolas mass on Christmas morning.
Sorry yours was disappointing.
ophicleide
Dec 29 2008, 09:47 AM
QUOTE(dcmbarton @ Dec 28 2008, 11:12 PM)

Our Midnight Communion was a disaster - there were four hymns:
1. Love came down at Christmas (minister requested tune she likes despite being advised no one knows it)
2. Born in the night (OK)
3. Cradled in a manger meanly (minister again requested tune in old Methodist Hymn Book which no one knew so most people refused to sing, closed their books and she sang a solo)
4. Silent Night (organist played harmony version in old Methodist Hymn Book which is the one people know; minister sang alto part in Hymns and Psalms)
We didn't even get O come all ye faithful with the last verse (and there was no Christmas Day service either!)
Dreadful!
David
Very sorry to hear it was a disaster, our services were pretty good this year!
MidnightChoral Introit: Anon - Gaudete
O come all ye faithful
While shepherds watched
O little town
Joubert - Torches
Rutter - Nativity Carol
Silent night
Hark the herald
9.30am MassO come all ye faithful
Away in a manger
Christians awake! salute the happy morn
Byrd - Cradle Song
In the bleak midwinter
Hark the herald
6pm Evensong & BenedictionCome, thou Redeemer of the earth
Silent night
11am Sung Eucharist (at another church)O come all ye faithful
O little town
Hark the herald
God rest you merry gentlemen.
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