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laura-clarinet
our school decided not to close today.
and i spent the entire day in music smile.gif (oh i do that on non snow days aswell rolleyes.gif )


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hello_cello
QUOTE(smd @ Feb 2 2009, 08:38 PM) *

QUOTE(Czerny @ Feb 2 2009, 05:07 PM) *

And regarding the gritting debate, while grit is clearly not much use under a foot of snow, the snow on the roads isn't that deep and I haven't seen one gritter out, nor a single piece of grit.

There was a foot of snow on the roads here.
And the roads were gritted - they have been several times over the last few weeks, but with 12 inches of snow (thats about 30cm to you youngsters) there needs to be a constant stream of traffic over the duration of the fall to make the grit melt the snow.

Funny you should say that, as all the people I know, although we are taught in centimetres, all use inches in speech, i bet all of them could show you an inch, but not a centimeter. Its stupid really, and we dont use metrics weights either.
The Old Lady
QUOTE(Susie @ Feb 2 2009, 03:46 PM) *

Oooooh, your computer's recovered then Bev. laugh.gif


At last Susie. Although I got so much done while it was broken laugh.gif
sarah123
QUOTE(hello_cello @ Feb 2 2009, 10:04 PM) *

QUOTE(smd @ Feb 2 2009, 08:38 PM) *

QUOTE(Czerny @ Feb 2 2009, 05:07 PM) *

And regarding the gritting debate, while grit is clearly not much use under a foot of snow, the snow on the roads isn't that deep and I haven't seen one gritter out, nor a single piece of grit.

There was a foot of snow on the roads here.
And the roads were gritted - they have been several times over the last few weeks, but with 12 inches of snow (thats about 30cm to you youngsters) there needs to be a constant stream of traffic over the duration of the fall to make the grit melt the snow.

Funny you should say that, as all the people I know, although we are taught in centimetres, all use inches in speech, i bet all of them could show you an inch, but not a centimeter. Its stupid really, and we dont use metrics weights either.


I use a mixture ph34r.gif Weights are in metric, although I can't think of people's weights in anything other than stones. It gets a bit complicated for distances: for small lengths I generally think in metric (although I would use imperial if it's around about a foot, but would have to convert anything more than 6 feet/ 12 inches), whereas i cannot think in kilometres- a mile is 1600m or there abouts. For volumes, I can deal with a pint, but other than that I can't cope with imperial at all ph34r.gif

I suppose we're a sort-of in betweeny generation wacko.gif
lizbun
School's closed today lol
stevensfo
We've had loads of snow here in North Italy and we thought our school would be closed yesterday, but no, the buses managed it, albeit about an hour late.

It's obligatory here to carry snow chains in the car during winter and I've learned the hard way just how useful they can be! You can go for years never needing them, but then suddenly the car won't grip and you're so thankful you have them. They're not so expensive, between 20 and 40 pounds for a set, depending on the make.

Of course, the instructions say to practise putting them on during the summer, but how many people bother? Thus, the first time I had to get them out was at the top of a mountain, my fingers slowly turning blue as I struggled to decipher the instructions and unravel the metal 'spaghetti'.

I know they get a lot of critiscism but the local authorities here are amazing. Even after heavy snow, most roads are clear by 7am and you see bulldozers, gritters, snowploughs everywhere.

Steve (Looking forward so much to the summer!)
BabyBanana
School not closed today, have to go in, in about an hour and 20 minute ish time.
My brother is really annoyed because he has to go to work haha.
Oh I wish we had more, snow is so pertty and fun to play/look at =)
Clari Nicki1
The roads are clear here...... but the schools are closed!!! It's quite nice as we never, ever get snow here (I've lived here since 1989 and this is the first proper snow!!!) My husband works next to middle child's school and he is at work and the school is closed. It's good though as most of the children won't see snow again when they are children probably.......
My kids however has an overdose of snow in Canada over Christmas..........
barry-clari
Many side roads here are still very icy - and this is relatively urban South London!

Pavements look rather slippery too...
Babybird2
Roads were fine here with not much traffic....

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barry-clari
QUOTE(Babybird2 @ Feb 3 2009, 09:22 AM) *

Roads were fine here with not much traffic....

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So that means you're working then BB2 sad.gif ...
Babybird2
Yep. But at least I'm in the office and not in the dark lab. So I have the internet laugh.gif
maggiemay
Very very little traffic around on the side roads here. OH took daughter to station to get up to town . Trains are supposed to be semi-ok - am hoping for a message to say she has arrived at work (msg just in - many trains cancelled and most delayed, some platforms closed, but she managed to get the slow train and got to work only slightly late).

Neighbours are still having difficulty getting cars out. One car was stranded across the footpath all day yesterday, having tried and failed to get out yesterday morning. Guy over the road is busy digging a path out of his gate. Son spent much of yesterday afternoon clearing a way across the junction so he would be able to drive out this morning - and that seemed successful.
barry-clari
QUOTE(maggiemay @ Feb 3 2009, 09:32 AM) *

Very very little traffic around on the side roads here. OH took daughter to station to get up to town . Trains are supposed to be semi-ok - am hoping for a message to say she has arrived at work (msg just in - many trains cancelled and most delayed, some platforms closed, but she managed to get the slow train and got to work only slightly late).

Neighbours are still having difficulty getting cars out. One car was stranded across the footpath all day yesterday, having tried and failed to get out yesterday morning. Guy over the road is busy digging a path out of his gate. Son spent much of yesterday afternoon clearing a way across the junction so he would be able to drive out this morning - and that seemed successful.


Trains are still appalling here.

Will I be working tomorrow? Much will depend on whether it gets above freezing today, I guess. I suspect I'll be teaching privately at least, even if schools take a final day off.
Maizie
Well, I'm back in the office today, there's a few of us but a lot of people have chosen to work from home.

And why not, really? My route in wasn't too bad, but there was one bit closed because of an accident, and the diversion took you along an untreated road which was horrible. Then even when it was clear, we pottered along at a reasonable speed, but the car behind me was very unhappy about that and was right on my bumper (what did it want me to do, magically disappear the car in front of me?!)

So, the roads might be better today, but all the idiots in their cars are still out there biggrin.gif
maggiemay
QUOTE(barry-clari @ Feb 3 2009, 09:49 AM) *

Trains are still appalling here.

yes - a lot of cancellations, having had a word with B who has managed to get into London. Although she looked several times on the TFL website for information, there was nothing about the main-line route from here into Victoria. And yet on arrival at the station many trains are simply cancelled. No information about next available train. At least two platforms closed. In the end she got on a stopping train.
Babybird2
My mum claims that she made it onto a very full train (south west trains, this is)
maggiemay
On the subject of trains, I wondered if this link

http://nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/ldb/index.html

is any use to anyone travelling. It enables you to view live departure boards to get an idea of your train departures before you travel. At least that's the idea - and it worked a few minutes ago for our local mainline station and for London Victoria. The local boards in some cases will give you an idea of delayed times.
Arundodonuts
QUOTE(Maizie @ Feb 3 2009, 09:53 AM) *

And why not, really? My route in wasn't too bad, but there was one bit closed because of an accident, and the diversion took you along an untreated road which was horrible. Then even when it was clear, we pottered along at a reasonable speed, but the car behind me was very unhappy about that and was right on my bumper

Guaranteed to make me go even slower!! Or decide it's time for a brake test. mad.gif
barry-clari
QUOTE(maggiemay @ Feb 3 2009, 10:16 AM) *

On the subject of trains, I wondered if this link

http://nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/ldb/index.html

is any use to anyone travelling. It enables you to view live departure boards to get an idea of your train departures before you travel. At least that's the idea - and it worked a few minutes ago for our local mainline station and for London Victoria. The local boards in some cases will give you an idea of delayed times.


That is an excellent site : works very well for my local stations too smile.gif
mrbouffant
QUOTE(barry-clari @ Feb 3 2009, 10:39 AM) *

QUOTE(maggiemay @ Feb 3 2009, 10:16 AM) *

On the subject of trains, I wondered if this link

http://nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/ldb/index.html

is any use to anyone travelling. It enables you to view live departure boards to get an idea of your train departures before you travel. At least that's the idea - and it worked a few minutes ago for our local mainline station and for London Victoria. The local boards in some cases will give you an idea of delayed times.


That is an excellent site : works very well for my local stations too smile.gif

Careful - there is a fundamental problem with this site - as evidenced yesterday and this morning by insisting trains are 'on time' until someone at HQ decides to flag them as cancelled. Bad information is worse than no information, in my book. Many of my colleagues went to the station on the basis of this incorrect site and were none too pleased to find no trains, despite the website's claims to the contrary...
maggiemay
Thanks for the warning!
mrbouffant
QUOTE(maggiemay @ Feb 3 2009, 12:36 PM) *

Thanks for the warning!

No problem! I agree it is a great site - but only when things are 'normal'. In my book it should claim any given train is NOT running until told by HQ that it is, rather than assuming every train is running, unless told otherwise. Failsafe!
TSax
Day 2 of working from home for me.

I think there were some trains running today, so I could have attempted to get in, but I can work pretty effectively from home with a broadband link in to the office server. I've managed to get a chunk done on a piece of work I was stressing a bit about finding the time for - so that's good. And I've put some washing on. And I've had a lunchtime sax break.

I have to try to get in tomorrow though, for a meeting postponed from Monday. It will be quite nice to be working with other people again!
Tortellini
I don't understand why the buses stop running though. Here in Italy (where we get about as much snow as Southern England btw) at the first hint of snow they all put their snowchains on - the buses are meant to be reliable so you don't have to venture out in your cars when it's icy!
Susie
QUOTE(confutatis @ Feb 3 2009, 12:31 PM) *

QUOTE(barry-clari @ Feb 3 2009, 10:39 AM) *

QUOTE(maggiemay @ Feb 3 2009, 10:16 AM) *

On the subject of trains, I wondered if this link

http://nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/ldb/index.html

is any use to anyone travelling. It enables you to view live departure boards to get an idea of your train departures before you travel. At least that's the idea - and it worked a few minutes ago for our local mainline station and for London Victoria. The local boards in some cases will give you an idea of delayed times.


That is an excellent site : works very well for my local stations too smile.gif

Careful - there is a fundamental problem with this site - as evidenced yesterday and this morning by insisting trains are 'on time' until someone at HQ decides to flag them as cancelled. Bad information is worse than no information, in my book. Many of my colleagues went to the station on the basis of this incorrect site and were none too pleased to find no trains, despite the website's claims to the contrary...


Well, obviously we all do our best to find out whether transport is running or not. But I'm afraid that I think these timetabling information services can be very limited in the accuracy of the information. I was coming home from York station one Monday morning in December, and the train indicator on the platform showed that our train was on time and had arrived in the station at our platform. But there was patently obviously no train there because we were still standing waiting for it to arrive! dry.gif sad.gif
maggiemay
QUOTE(Tortellini @ Feb 3 2009, 03:38 PM) *

I don't understand why the buses stop running though. Here in Italy (where we get about as much snow as Southern England btw) at the first hint of snow they all put their snowchains on - the buses are meant to be reliable so you don't have to venture out in your cars when it's icy!

Ah - but that makes SENSE !
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enharmonic
I had the worst journey I think I've ever had yesterday - 8 1/2 hours from Gatwick (it should take under 2 with a clear run).
I could see from the aeroplane window that there was thick snow so I decided to go home on the train and leave the car for Mr Enharmonic who is working abroad for another week.
Well, there were no trains or buses going in or out of Gatwick so I had no choice but to drive. I don't know how long passengers without a car were stuck there for.
The stretch of M25 from Gatwick to the M3 had a 50 mile tailback with cars having to be dug out of snowdrifts and skidded lorries blocking the road, so I decided to drive towards London on the A23 and if the weather got worse I would ask friends to put me up in London
The road was dreadful! It took 6 hours to go about 12 miles, as lorries had jackknifed and people were getting stuck. I thought I was going to have to look for a B&B in Croydon!
I weaved around the stranded vehicles the best I could - it was impossible to know what was road and what was verge - but sometimes there was no choice but to sit in a traffic jam. Thank Goodness I had a 4 wheel drive - if not, I'd still be there.
Once I started going west it was much better, but that was not an experience I would like to repeat.
cornetsrule
This all sounds lovely in the snow... no school!!

Well I am affraid we have no snow what so ever and are unlikely to get any either!!! Why does the whole of the South close in snow?! Imagine the Highlands of Scotland closed every time it snowed.... it would never be open during winter!!!!
Cyrilla
QUOTE(enharmonic @ Feb 3 2009, 04:01 PM) *

I thought I was going to have to look for a B&B in Croydon!


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CJB
QUOTE(AmandaL @ Feb 2 2009, 04:13 PM) *

My boyfriend, who currently lives in Fareham (not Farnham) in Hampshire, made the 30 mile trip this morning up to his business premises in Alton. He and only one other person turned up to work. Considering most of his staff live very locally to work and a lot of them own 4x4 vehicles that are more than capable of driving through snow, that's a pretty poor turn out. When he phoned me at lunchtime, he said he was seriously considering cutting the staff pay by one day this month, or take the day from their annual leave. As a sole trader and small business he cannot afford to pay staff who simply don't turn up for work. He's not only lost work time and therefore money today, but he still has to pay for the facilities, electricity, water etc. I'm sure there are similar small companies who will have suffered the same thing.


To be fair to your boyfriend's employees I know from a friend who spent several hours trying to get from Basingstoke to Alton yesterday was turned back by the police on more than 1 route including the A31 coming up the hill in Four Marks, even the 4x4s were being turned back on the Basingstoke road.

I know had I been heading in to work yesterday I'd have phoned in and asked for the day off. Then again I've never expected (or experienced) my employer to not expect me to take the day as leave if I've not made it in due to weather, all part of the deal of having to live 42 miles from work with dodgy public transport.
chocolatedog
QUOTE(confutatis @ Feb 2 2009, 08:28 AM) *

school closed (for two days)
no trains running

pathetic, isn't it?



I agree - we used to just have to walk to school. The only time our school closed was if the boiler had broken down in the winter and there was no heating. Otherwise, snow, floods whatever the weather, we had to go. Outlying villages sometimes got cut off with some pupils unable to reach the town, but the school stayed open for the more local kids. Which is how it should be........

QUOTE(pushpull @ Feb 2 2009, 11:00 AM) *

QUOTE(hello_cello @ Feb 2 2009, 10:49 AM) *

We have 5 in ours, but alot of ours is recyclable, ie everything that isnt glass or food goes in the blue bin. Its not that black bin for us, its the blue one, as the stuff that goes into that takes up way more space than a bit of old curry.

Well apart from only having 2 in the house, we actually have very little that goes into the "landfill" bag. Paper, cardboard, glass and tins are separated out and peelings, etc. go on the compost. Left over curry goes in the freezer (or is non-existent biggrin.gif ). Come to think of it, I'm at a loss to figure out what actually DOES go in the bin.



But didn't you see the news recently about a lot of what is actually sorted for recycling by the householder actually just lies stored up in a massive warehouse without being recycled??? It makes you wonder what the point is........

QUOTE(lottie @ Feb 2 2009, 12:06 PM) *

The trouble with snow in the South of the country is that you're not prepared for it; you don't have the infrastructure to deal with it.. ie not enough gritters to go around because you don't normally need them. So there's a big panic when the transport shuts down.

I don't think saying 'toughen up' is very helpful either because the majority have no experience of driving in snow so can't estimate the risks and that's where mistakes are made. Inexperience, cars and ice/snow are a lethal cocktail.

So take a couple of days off; the world won't come to an end! Put your feet up and do something homebased.. a few days and you'll be back into the grind and regretting wasting your days with stress! Build a snowman, go sledging and giggle like a kid.. then go inside and have hot soup and you'll feel brilliant!

We deal with deep snow several times a year so it's nothing unusual and we just get on with it - yes, the schools close and we can't get to the grocery stores but we prepare in advance. Everyone in our glen has thermals, boots, skis etc. as standard and I carry grit and a shovel in my car. I regularly drive through four foot drifts: it's just a part of life and not a novelty (although I still like sledging laugh.gif ).

But I agree about the pathetic 4WD drivers avoiding the slush - that's just laughable! Ooooooh dirty!



It's not as good up here as it used to be either though - when we first moved here I counted 4 snowploughs on the same road on my 20 minute journey - a matter of 14 miles. These days you don't see anywhere near the same number out.......
enharmonic
QUOTE(Cyrilla @ Feb 3 2009, 05:14 PM) *

QUOTE(enharmonic @ Feb 3 2009, 04:01 PM) *

I thought I was going to have to look for a B&B in Croydon!


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If I'd known you lived in Croydon I'd have been knocking on your door!
I had some music with me - I took some on holiday on the off chance of there being another pianist around - so we could have had snowed in duets!
tuba_george
QUOTE(chocolatedog @ Feb 3 2009, 08:49 PM) *

I agree - we used to just have to walk to school. The only time our school closed was if the boiler had broken down in the winter and there was no heating. Otherwise, snow, floods whatever the weather, we had to go. Outlying villages sometimes got cut off with some pupils unable to reach the town, but the school stayed open for the more local kids. Which is how it should be........


Why? It's school not prison! If times have moved on since 10, 20 or 30 years ago then so be it. I expect that nowadays there is more of an issue with staff, since people nowadays are more willing to travel long distances for a well-paid teaching job (if there is such a thing) then they may live many miles away. With modern congestion problems when roads get blocked in the snow it can be near impossible to get anywhere.
Cyrilla
QUOTE(enharmonic @ Feb 3 2009, 09:08 PM) *

QUOTE(Cyrilla @ Feb 3 2009, 05:14 PM) *

QUOTE(enharmonic @ Feb 3 2009, 04:01 PM) *

I thought I was going to have to look for a B&B in Croydon!


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If I'd known you lived in Croydon I'd have been knocking on your door!
I had some music with me - I took some on holiday on the off chance of there being another pianist around - so we could have had snowed in duets!


Er - you DO realise I went to the Les Dawson School of Piano Playing, don't you???? Ah, but my husband IS a fabby pianist/organist, so you could have played some duets with him!

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petrat
The Hon. Lady Cyrilla F.L.D.S.P.P.
Cyrilla
QUOTE(petrat @ Feb 3 2009, 11:25 PM) *

The Hon. Lady Cyrilla F.L.D.S.P.P.


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(I think it's the 'Hon.' bit that's tickled me the most...)
maledictis
QUOTE(Cyrilla @ Feb 4 2009, 06:51 AM) *

QUOTE(petrat @ Feb 3 2009, 11:25 PM) *

The Hon. Lady Cyrilla F.L.D.S.P.P.

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(I think it's the 'Hon.' bit that's tickled me the most...)

I think it's the "Lady" bit that tickles me most - have you seen her near a bottle of sherry? rolleyes.gif tongue.gif
(sorry C - couldn't resist! biggrin.gif )
mwl1
It now seems impossible to justify further time off here. tongue.gif
enharmonic
QUOTE(Cyrilla @ Feb 3 2009, 11:21 PM) *

QUOTE(enharmonic @ Feb 3 2009, 09:08 PM) *

QUOTE(Cyrilla @ Feb 3 2009, 05:14 PM) *

QUOTE(enharmonic @ Feb 3 2009, 04:01 PM) *

I thought I was going to have to look for a B&B in Croydon!


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If I'd known you lived in Croydon I'd have been knocking on your door!
I had some music with me - I took some on holiday on the off chance of there being another pianist around - so we could have had snowed in duets!


Er - you DO realise I went to the Les Dawson School of Piano Playing, don't you???? Ah, but my husband IS a fabby pianist/organist, so you could have played some duets with him!

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Next time I'm driving from Gatwick in a snowstorm tell your husband to be prepared!
maggiemay
and if you miss their turning you can drop in on us !
Deborah
...providing you've collected me en route laugh.gif
Miss Ross
QUOTE(cornetsrule @ Feb 3 2009, 04:49 PM) *
Imagine the Highlands of Scotland closed every time it snowed.... it would never be open during winter!!!!
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On a short stretch of road here today, 5 busses ended up off the road, a lorry spun and another bus crashed, in the space of a couple of hours. All because of the snow. Did we make national news*? ph34r.gif

*or local news for that matter
enharmonic
QUOTE(maggiemay @ Feb 4 2009, 06:21 PM) *

and if you miss their turning you can drop in on us !


and Deborah - sorry I don't know how to get two quotes on one page




If I'd known all this, my journey which was the most unnerving and exhausting that I've ever made would have turned into an extremely enjoyable one!
maya3
it took 2.5 hours to get to school this morning sad.gif.
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