I have played the violin for a number of months now and have played both in public and in exams. My playing is pretty much professional (in both my opinion and my close friend Roger's) yet I feel one aspect of my performing still requires some improvement- HOW TO TAKE CRITICISM
This is the usual course of events.
1) I perform ( to a very high standard)
2) I listen to the comments of the judge/interrogate the audience and find out what they thought
3) I get feel very very angry hearing their lies and attract unwanted attention through my angry "antics"
4) people remember the way I reacted not THE MUSIC
How can I prevent these outbursts/stop people watching the outbursts?
I would also like to know...why would people lie to me about my performances?? Is it because they want to keep me "down to earth" and modest?? or could it be that they seriously don't like it?! but if this is the case then why would others (eg Roger+me+ some other {mostly old} people) think it sounds beautiful?
I have a performance on Thursday...so if you could get back to me before then then that would be really useful.
Thanks so much
Bernie
Full Version: How To Take Criticism
With all due respect, and never having heard you play Violin, it takes YEARS to master the violin and play to a "professional" standard. Even after many years of hard work and dedication, many talented musicians never attain "professional" standard playing.
If you believe after a few months that you are playing like a pro then unless you are some sort of prodigy the likes of which the world has never seen before, then you are deluding yourself about your current standard.
Try and listen to the people who are telling you the truth about your playing rather than dismissing them. I'm sure your friend means well and to him what your playing sounds good, but it's clearly not to the standard that you both think.
You say you've played in exams. Which exams have you passed?
And please PLEASE take my reply in the spirit it is intended. I'm only trying to be honest and give my opinion based on what you've written.
If you believe after a few months that you are playing like a pro then unless you are some sort of prodigy the likes of which the world has never seen before, then you are deluding yourself about your current standard.
Try and listen to the people who are telling you the truth about your playing rather than dismissing them. I'm sure your friend means well and to him what your playing sounds good, but it's clearly not to the standard that you both think.
You say you've played in exams. Which exams have you passed?
And please PLEASE take my reply in the spirit it is intended. I'm only trying to be honest and give my opinion based on what you've written.
Bernie, a wise old music teacher told me once that the duty of every real artist is to be controversial - that a safe and competent performance isn't doing the whole job.
It sounds like you are achieving a level of artistry that few can aspire to, and are achieving an unprecented level of controversy with it.
So pat yourself on the back at a job well done, and enjoy the drama of the reactions around you.
It sounds like you are achieving a level of artistry that few can aspire to, and are achieving an unprecented level of controversy with it.
So pat yourself on the back at a job well done, and enjoy the drama of the reactions around you.
Perhaps we shouldn't be feeding the troll...
No offence, but I am starting to agree with Mad Tom...
QUOTE(bernie @ Mar 15 2009, 12:17 PM) 
I have played the violin for a number of months now and have played both in public and in exams. My playing is pretty much professional (in both my opinion and my close friend Roger's) yet I feel one aspect of my performing still requires some improvement- HOW TO TAKE CRITICISM
This is the usual course of events.
1) I perform ( to a very high standard)
2) I listen to the comments of the judge/interrogate the audience and find out what they thought
3) I get feel very very angry hearing their lies and attract unwanted attention through my angry "antics"
4) people remember the way I reacted not THE MUSIC
How can I prevent these outbursts/stop people watching the outbursts?
I would also like to know...why would people lie to me about my performances?? Is it because they want to keep me "down to earth" and modest?? or could it be that they seriously don't like it?! but if this is the case then why would others (eg Roger+me+ some other {mostly old} people) think it sounds beautiful?
I have a performance on Thursday...so if you could get back to me before then then that would be really useful.
Thanks so much
Bernie
very good you have managed to get people to bite again!! I take it this is the same person who takes his trumpet for a walk in a tuba case??? I applaud you for comedy value.Why perform in auditions or competitions if you dont want the constructive critiscim to follow ?????????? (just in case this was in anyway a serious post
Aw, hun... Just ignore the silly people who don't think you're a professional after a few months. Don't take it to heart. Good luck for Thursday. 
Do you keep your violin in a double bass case? 
At least the violin has 4 notes instead of the trumpets 3! 
QUOTE(Jacobi @ Mar 15 2009, 04:37 PM)
At least the violin has 4 notes instead of the trumpets 3!
that would explain why they thinks they play like a pro after JUST a FEW MONTHS 
wonder what kind of performance you can give with 4 notes
QUOTE(sjc @ Mar 15 2009, 04:42 PM)
QUOTE(Jacobi @ Mar 15 2009, 04:37 PM)
At least the violin has 4 notes instead of the trumpets 3!
that would explain why they thinks they play like a pro after JUST a FEW MONTHS wonder what kind of performance you can give with 4 notes
Provided they were tuned, all the intervals would be Perfect.
QUOTE(jod @ Mar 15 2009, 04:51 PM)
QUOTE(sjc @ Mar 15 2009, 04:42 PM)
QUOTE(Jacobi @ Mar 15 2009, 04:37 PM)
At least the violin has 4 notes instead of the trumpets 3!
that would explain why they thinks they play like a pro after JUST a FEW MONTHS wonder what kind of performance you can give with 4 notes
Provided they were tuned, all the intervals would be Perfect.
no criticism then
problem solved, no reaction required
QUOTE(katyjay @ Mar 15 2009, 02:54 PM)
It sounds like you are achieving a level of artistry that few can aspire to, and are achieving an unprecented level of controversy with it.
The only 'art' that Bernie excels in is that of creating surreal, unbelievable, yet provocative and amusing posts.
I wish these stories were real!
Can you send your friend Roger down to listen to my next performance? I'd be interested in his opinion because he obviously knows what he's talking about...
Can you send your friend Roger down to listen to my next performance? I'd be interested in his opinion because he obviously knows what he's talking about...
Great post!
In my opinion I feel and look 21. Only trouble is, that when I look in the mirror there is this old bald chap looking back at me!
If this was even a remotely serious post, then I would recommend recording a performance and playing it back!
When I performed with my tenor sax I was sure I was the next Charlie Parker, until that is I recorded myself and heard some imposter student had switched the tapes!!!!
In my opinion I feel and look 21. Only trouble is, that when I look in the mirror there is this old bald chap looking back at me!
If this was even a remotely serious post, then I would recommend recording a performance and playing it back!
When I performed with my tenor sax I was sure I was the next Charlie Parker, until that is I recorded myself and heard some imposter student had switched the tapes!!!!
QUOTE(Tomo @ Mar 17 2009, 10:02 PM)
Great post!
In my opinion I feel and look 21. Only trouble is, that when I look in the mirror there is this old bald chap looking back at me!
If this was even a remotely serious post, then I would recommend recording a performance and playing it back!
When I performed with my tenor sax I was sure I was the next Charlie Parker, until that is I recorded myself and heard some imposter student had switched the tapes!!!!
That is so true. It is painful to hear the play back of what you thought was you sounding like Pollini or Argerich, only to find that you sound like a slow witted 5 year old beginner. But there is no better way to improve. I also wonder what my Grandad's photo is doing on my passport, driving license, and security passes.
Now come along everyone......don't mock what is obviously a serious post from one of the more musical members of this community. If you consider yourself to be playing at a professional level after a few months of playing then it is probably because you are doing what I advise my students to do, and that is choosing pieces that are well within your capabilities and playing them as well as your teacher could. That is to be applauded. I hate to see and hear students trying to play works that are just a little too difficult for themselves and not being able to perform them well. Remember that music in performance is intended to bring pleasure to the listener. Giving a stylish performance of something that you can play well is so much more enjoyable than giving a rather poor one of a piece that is at that moment, too advanced. Some pieces cause me to weep with the sheer joy of them. Have you ever caused any of your audience members to cry for whatever reason?
Probably not for the reasons I would wish ...
QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 18 2009, 08:39 AM)
I hate to see and hear students trying to play works that are just a little too difficult for themselves and not being able to perform them well. Remember that music in performance is intended to bring pleasure to the listener. Giving a stylish performance of something that you can play well is so much more enjoyable than giving a rather poor one of a piece that is at that moment, too advanced.
That makes me feel so much more confident about Saturday 
QUOTE(skylark @ Mar 18 2009, 09:25 AM)
QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 18 2009, 08:39 AM)
I hate to see and hear students trying to play works that are just a little too difficult for themselves and not being able to perform them well. Remember that music in performance is intended to bring pleasure to the listener. Giving a stylish performance of something that you can play well is so much more enjoyable than giving a rather poor one of a piece that is at that moment, too advanced.
That makes me feel so much more confident about Saturday
Don't mock, HG. You have been in enough trouble here recently for not taking my advice offered to others seriously or in then helpful light in which it was intended. 
QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 18 2009, 10:22 AM)
QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ Mar 18 2009, 09:27 AM)
QUOTE(skylark @ Mar 18 2009, 09:25 AM)
QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 18 2009, 08:39 AM)
I hate to see and hear students trying to play works that are just a little too difficult for themselves and not being able to perform them well. Remember that music in performance is intended to bring pleasure to the listener. Giving a stylish performance of something that you can play well is so much more enjoyable than giving a rather poor one of a piece that is at that moment, too advanced.
That makes me feel so much more confident about Saturday 
Bit too late to do anything about Saturday now anyway!
QUOTE(skylark @ Mar 18 2009, 11:30 AM)
QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 18 2009, 10:22 AM)
QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ Mar 18 2009, 09:27 AM)
QUOTE(skylark @ Mar 18 2009, 09:25 AM)
QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 18 2009, 08:39 AM)
I hate to see and hear students trying to play works that are just a little too difficult for themselves and not being able to perform them well. Remember that music in performance is intended to bring pleasure to the listener. Giving a stylish performance of something that you can play well is so much more enjoyable than giving a rather poor one of a piece that is at that moment, too advanced.
That makes me feel so much more confident about Saturday Indeed he wasn't. Your post made me chuckle, Skylark. Thanks!
QUOTE(skylark @ Mar 18 2009, 11:30 AM)
QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 18 2009, 10:22 AM)
QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ Mar 18 2009, 09:27 AM)
QUOTE(skylark @ Mar 18 2009, 09:25 AM)
QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 18 2009, 08:39 AM)
I hate to see and hear students trying to play works that are just a little too difficult for themselves and not being able to perform them well. Remember that music in performance is intended to bring pleasure to the listener. Giving a stylish performance of something that you can play well is so much more enjoyable than giving a rather poor one of a piece that is at that moment, too advanced.
That makes me feel so much more confident about Saturday Bit too late to do anything about Saturday now anyway!
I know someone who might be on the same path Skylark, so you won't be alone. Good performance opportunity a month before the exam.
It is nigh on impossible to be professional in a few months
I've been playing my main instrument for 12 years and wouldn't consider myself professional yet
Semi-professional at a push
And in terms of getting angry for negative feedback
You need to let go of the ego a bit
If you think you're the best thing since sliced bread you will never take constructive criticism well
Listen to what people say and if they make a fair comment then build off that feedback
Sometimes at gigs/recitals you will get some prat who does go out of line but you've just got to be cool about it
I had a guy come up to me once while i was in the bathroom at the venue and he said that he hated my set and then conceded that my vocals where "poop" and I just said "Fair enough, you can do it next time and upstage me then eh?" and walked off.
When it comes down to it
Be cool and show class
dowlie
I've been playing my main instrument for 12 years and wouldn't consider myself professional yet
Semi-professional at a push
And in terms of getting angry for negative feedback
You need to let go of the ego a bit
If you think you're the best thing since sliced bread you will never take constructive criticism well
Listen to what people say and if they make a fair comment then build off that feedback
Sometimes at gigs/recitals you will get some prat who does go out of line but you've just got to be cool about it
I had a guy come up to me once while i was in the bathroom at the venue and he said that he hated my set and then conceded that my vocals where "poop" and I just said "Fair enough, you can do it next time and upstage me then eh?" and walked off.
When it comes down to it
Be cool and show class
dowlie
There have been several negative remarks made about Bernie. Without hearing him it is difficult to appreciate his talent and artistry. Perhaps it would be possible for you to record today's performance and place it on Youtube Bernie?
I know that it is possible for a professional standard to be reached in a few months so do not doubt your word for a moment. I have heard similar comments from many woodwind players over the years after they have picked up recorders for the first time. They tell me that they are at a professional standard within hours of starting.
Please post a link to your youtube video asap Bernie.
I know that it is possible for a professional standard to be reached in a few months so do not doubt your word for a moment. I have heard similar comments from many woodwind players over the years after they have picked up recorders for the first time. They tell me that they are at a professional standard within hours of starting.
Please post a link to your youtube video asap Bernie.
QUOTE(bernie @ Mar 15 2009, 12:17 PM)
I have played the violin for a number of months now and have played both in public and in exams. My playing is pretty much professional (in both my opinion and my close friend Roger's)
This reminds me of the many occasions when we would sell an electronic organ around Christmas time, the new, proud, absolute beginner / owners declaring that they hoped to get a job playing in the famous Tower Ballroom organ by the following summer season.
Heigh -ho
ps - "bernie" says he has played for [only] a number MONTHS and has taken EXAMS
Reeeaaaalllly ?
QUOTE(diapason @ Mar 19 2009, 08:19 AM)
QUOTE(bernie @ Mar 15 2009, 12:17 PM)
I have played the violin for a number of months now and have played both in public and in exams. My playing is pretty much professional (in both my opinion and my close friend Roger's)
This reminds me of the many occasions when we would sell an electronic organ around Christmas time, the new, proud, absolute beginner / owners declaring that they hoped to get a job playing in the famous Tower Ballroom organ by the following summer season.
Heigh -ho
ps - "bernie" says he has played for [only] a number MONTHS and has taken EXAMS
Reeeaaaalllly ?
I suppose they could have taken grade 1/2 or even 3 in a few months
maybe after all teachers were learning and getting grade 1 for charity after a month of playing a new instrument. I wonder just what a FEW MONTHS is in real time. QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 19 2009, 07:59 AM)
There have been several negative remarks made about Bernie. Without hearing him it is difficult to appreciate his talent and artistry. Perhaps it would be possible for you to record today's performance and place it on Youtube Bernie?
I know that it is possible for a professional standard to be reached in a few months so do not doubt your word for a moment. I have heard similar comments from many woodwind players over the years after they have picked up recorders for the first time. They tell me that they are at a professional standard within hours of starting.
Please post a link to your youtube video asap Bernie.
It is no wonder that the have had negative comments slung at them, they make such unbelievable comments/claims, but then maybe he is a prodigy. And going by other posts he has posted makes them even more so
I also wonder what his definition of Professional is, is it that we would pay to see him play and he would give us a night to remember or is it that they can play well enough to be paid to teach the instrument. Answer on a postcard please.
QUOTE(sjc @ Mar 19 2009, 10:41 AM)
... maybe he is a prodigy ??
You cannot be serious!
QUOTE(Mad Tom @ Mar 19 2009, 08:44 AM)
QUOTE(sjc @ Mar 19 2009, 10:41 AM)
... maybe he is a prodigy ??
You cannot be serious!
Deadly serious
after all he can play the violin professionally after a few months and can sure blow his own trumpet <all be it 3 notes>
Well said Old Bean.
QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 19 2009, 03:59 PM)
Please post a link to your youtube video asap Bernie.
Good idea
Can't wait to watch the video. I will send my honest comments.QUOTE(teoani @ Mar 19 2009, 08:59 AM)
QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 19 2009, 03:59 PM)
Please post a link to your youtube video asap Bernie.
Good idea
Can't wait to watch the video. I will send my honest comments.
NOw how can you refuse a request by popular demand. Give your fellow formites a free concert!! no cheatin now by using a REAL pro, we know you are not Vanessa Mae
QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 19 2009, 07:59 AM)
There have been several negative remarks made about Bernie. Without hearing him it is difficult to appreciate his talent and artistry. Perhaps it would be possible for you to record today's performance and place it on Youtube Bernie?
I know that it is possible for a professional standard to be reached in a few months so do not doubt your word for a moment. I have heard similar comments from many woodwind players over the years after they have picked up recorders for the first time. They tell me that they are at a professional standard within hours of starting.
Please post a link to your youtube video asap Bernie.
Yes, come on, post another video, MrB....
QUOTE(sjc @ Mar 19 2009, 08:41 AM)
I also wonder what his definition of Professional is, is it that we would pay to see him play and he would give us a night to remember or is it that they can play well enough to be paid to teach the instrument. Answer on a postcard please.
People used to pay to see Florence Foster Jenkins.
QUOTE(pushpull @ Mar 19 2009, 12:17 PM)
QUOTE(sjc @ Mar 19 2009, 08:41 AM)
I also wonder what his definition of Professional is, is it that we would pay to see him play and he would give us a night to remember or is it that they can play well enough to be paid to teach the instrument. Answer on a postcard please.
People used to pay to see Florence Foster Jenkins.
They paid, but from what I have read it was only so that they could laugh at a deluded lady who thought she could sing at a professional level when all the evidence suggested otherwise.
... ahhhh .... I am beginning to see the similarity ...
I love this thread
Can't wait to see the video
QUOTE(pushpull @ Mar 19 2009, 10:17 AM)
QUOTE(sjc @ Mar 19 2009, 08:41 AM)
I also wonder what his definition of Professional is, is it that we would pay to see him play and he would give us a night to remember or is it that they can play well enough to be paid to teach the instrument. Answer on a postcard please.
People used to pay to see Florence Foster Jenkins.
I had never heard of her, but having seen the youtube footage I too am enlightened
, definitely professional.....comedian. Reaches for earplugs
QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ Mar 19 2009, 09:41 AM)
Yes, come on, post another video, MrB....
MrB?
And here was I thinking it was Roger having a tea-break.....
Florence Foster Jenkins was every inch the professional though. The halls were always packed for her performances and she made her living form her singing. That makes her a professional singer in my eyes. Her voice might not have to everybody's liking but a fine artist she was nevertheless. Her name will live on for many a decade yet.
QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 19 2009, 12:10 PM)
Florence Foster Jenkins was every inch the professional though. The halls were always packed for her performances and she made her living form her singing. That makes her a professional singer in my eyes. Her voice might not have to everybody's liking but a fine artist she was nevertheless. Her name will live on for many a decade yet.
Have you modelled yourself on her, then, Ratty?
Not at all, but I believe that my close and dear departed friend Adeline Nuffield Owen may have shared the same teacher as dear Florence.
QUOTE(bernie @ Mar 15 2009, 12:17 PM)
I have played the violin for a number of months now and have played both in public and in exams.
QUOTE(diapason @ Mar 19 2009, 08:19 AM)
ps - "bernie" says he has played for [only] a number MONTHS and has taken EXAMS
Reeeaaaalllly ?
Ah, but he never said what that number was...
If we look at the post below and do a tiny bit of maths, we can arrive at a number. 6 years * 12 months = 72, plus another 8 months since that post was made = 80 months. Minimum.
I reckon it's possible to take more than one exam in 80+ months. ;-)
QUOTE(bernie @ Jun 24 2008, 11:57 AM)
For the past 6 years I have had the same "teacher" but recently I have just had enough of her treatment of me. At times she has said hurtful comments like " you don't seem to be practicing enough" and one time she even said " is there any point in continuing with this lesson today when you are in this bitter mood?" She also refused to answer some of my phone calls to her. Obviously this has been GRATING at me. Over the years it became clear to me I needed to find a new teacher.
The problem is, as much as she IRRITATES me, this woman has improved my play over the years and has invested a lot of time in "teaching me". I don't want to hurt her feelings...how should I phrase it to her that I think I need to get a new teacher. I've thought of 3 options...which is best?
1) NO OFFENSE at ALL, but I SOMETIMES hate your style of teaching and I NEED to change. I wish I could stay but I think it could drive me mad. ( I would make sure that she realised that i meant no offense )
2) I'm quitting the violin ( then secretly get a new teacher )
3) I'm moving to another city/country, feel free to come with me ( this with the expectation that she will decline )
If anyone has any better ideas then let me know, if not just tell me which number is best.
Thanks,
Bernie
QUOTE(Teigr @ Mar 19 2009, 12:32 PM)
QUOTE(bernie @ Mar 15 2009, 12:17 PM)
I have played the violin for a number of months now and have played both in public and in exams.
QUOTE(diapason @ Mar 19 2009, 08:19 AM)
ps - "bernie" says he has played for [only] a number MONTHS and has taken EXAMS
Reeeaaaalllly ?
Ah, but he never said what that number was...
If we look at the post below and do a tiny bit of maths, we can arrive at a number. 6 years * 12 months = 72, plus another 8 months since that post was made = 80 months. Minimum.
I reckon it's possible to take more than one exam in 80+ months. ;-)
QUOTE(bernie @ Jun 24 2008, 11:57 AM)
For the past 6 years I have had the same "teacher" but recently I have just had enough of her treatment of me. At times she has said hurtful comments like " you don't seem to be practicing enough" and one time she even said " is there any point in continuing with this lesson today when you are in this bitter mood?" She also refused to answer some of my phone calls to her. Obviously this has been GRATING at me. Over the years it became clear to me I needed to find a new teacher.
The problem is, as much as she IRRITATES me, this woman has improved my play over the years and has invested a lot of time in "teaching me". I don't want to hurt her feelings...how should I phrase it to her that I think I need to get a new teacher. I've thought of 3 options...which is best?
1) NO OFFENSE at ALL, but I SOMETIMES hate your style of teaching and I NEED to change. I wish I could stay but I think it could drive me mad. ( I would make sure that she realised that i meant no offense )
2) I'm quitting the violin ( then secretly get a new teacher )
3) I'm moving to another city/country, feel free to come with me ( this with the expectation that she will decline )
If anyone has any better ideas then let me know, if not just tell me which number is best.
Thanks,
Bernie
well spotted not the novice we expect him to be then
QUOTE(diapason @ Mar 19 2009, 08:19 AM)
QUOTE(bernie @ Mar 15 2009, 12:17 PM)
I have played the violin for a number of months now and have played both in public and in exams. My playing is pretty much professional (in both my opinion and my close friend Roger's)
This reminds me of the many occasions when we would sell an electronic organ around Christmas time, the new, proud, absolute beginner / owners declaring that they hoped to get a job playing in the famous Tower Ballroom organ by the following summer season.
I wonder if this is the Roger we both know and love diapason?
Petrat is quite right that we should give Bernie the benefit, and treat his post with the seriousness it deserves.
He has evidently discovered that there is room in the tuba case for both the trumpet and the violin (not to mention the stuffed animals ). It is therefore quite possible that he is confusing some of these during his public recitals - e.g. playing the trumpet with the bow, playing the violin with a stuffed animal , etc). No doubt the video will clarify, when posted.
I've had similar problems to Bernie in finding a suitable carrying bag for my piano. Can anyone help, Please?
Mole
He has evidently discovered that there is room in the tuba case for both the trumpet and the violin (not to mention the stuffed animals
). It is therefore quite possible that he is confusing some of these during his public recitals - e.g. playing the trumpet with the bow, playing the violin with a stuffed animal , etc). No doubt the video will clarify, when posted.I've had similar problems to Bernie in finding a suitable carrying bag for my piano. Can anyone help, Please?
Mole
QUOTE(PianissiMole @ Mar 19 2009, 01:15 PM)
Petrat is quite right that we should give Bernie the benefit, and treat his post with the seriousness it deserves.
He has evidently discovered that there is room in the tuba case for both the trumpet and the violin (not to mention the stuffed animals
). It is therefore quite possible that he is confusing some of these during his public recitals - e.g. playing the trumpet with the bow, playing the violin with a stuffed animal , etc). No doubt the video will clarify, when posted.I've had similar problems to Bernie in finding a suitable carrying bag for my piano. Can anyone help, Please?
Mole
Who needs to put a piano in a case. Did you not see the programme where a man pushed his piano down the road to busk on the underground...case indeed tut
I have just had a new case for my contrabass recorder and find that my digital piano fits inside it rather well.
It is usual for pianos in halls etc to be covered with canvas covers and these instruments aren't really portable. The best plan would be to get in a specialist firm when you need to move your piano.
It is usual for pianos in halls etc to be covered with canvas covers and these instruments aren't really portable. The best plan would be to get in a specialist firm when you need to move your piano.
QUOTE(sjc @ Mar 19 2009, 02:20 PM)
Who needs to put a piano in a case. Did you not see the programme where a man pushed his piano down the road to busk on the underground...case indeed tut
My parents pushed my first piano down the road and round the corner from the house of the people they bought it from to our own.
QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 19 2009, 01:37 PM)
The best plan would be to get in a specialist firm when you need to move your piano.
Indeed. I would recommend these people....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7b0JcuwkIE
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