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petrat
I have some left handed pencils for pupils to borrow.
chocolatedog
QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 17 2009, 09:23 AM) *

I have some left handed pencils for pupils to borrow.



Presumably they have a bass clef on them to show that they're for left hand.......
anacrusis
do viola teachers use their mouths to hold their pencils then?
PianoDoodler
QUOTE(anacrusis @ Mar 17 2009, 10:29 AM) *
do viola teachers use their mouths to hold their pencils then?

Obvious from this that you could never be a string teacher.

Any string specialists here able to alleviate anacrusis' woeful ignorance.

Hey, this thread has served a really useful puprose.

I can now spell acciaccatura with complete confidence. party1.gif
anacrusis
laugh.gif

....and pronounce it too?

*sneezes*
leahdon_uk
So here's my stupid question, that I'm really having problems with:

I've got a barbershop song in E flat Mjr, but the first chord is:
Bass - B flat
Bari - D flat
Lead - F natural
Tenor - G natural

So for those of you who don't know, in barbershop, we blow the pitch note, which in normal cases would be an Eflat, and the four parts would work out their note from that.

However, in this case, if we blew E flat, the Basses would just about get their note and the Tenor's would get theirs, but the Bari's and Lead's have both got an awkward not to pitch (and they're not allowed to make any sound whilst they are finding the note).

So first question - what do you guys reckon the chord is?

Second question - what should we blow to make the pitching easier... we had been blowing a G (as I got all confubbled, and decided that the relative minor to Eb is G minor, not C minor), which worked for everyone except the Leads.

Thanks

Donna
TSax
QUOTE(leahdon_uk @ Mar 18 2009, 12:40 PM) *

So here's my stupid question, that I'm really having problems with:

I've got a barbershop song in E flat Mjr, but the first chord is:
Bass - B flat
Bari - D flat
Lead - F natural
Tenor - G natural

So for those of you who don't know, in barbershop, we blow the pitch note, which in normal cases would be an Eflat, and the four parts would work out their note from that.

However, in this case, if we blew E flat, the Basses would just about get their note and the Tenor's would get theirs, but the Bari's and Lead's have both got an awkward not to pitch (and they're not allowed to make any sound whilst they are finding the note).

So first question - what do you guys reckon the chord is?

Second question - what should we blow to make the pitching easier... we had been blowing a G (as I got all confubbled, and decided that the relative minor to Eb is G minor, not C minor), which worked for everyone except the Leads.

Thanks

Donna


In jazz chord nomenclature that would be Bbmin6, or possibly Gmin7b5/Bb

No idea which note you should choose though
pianodub
QUOTE(leahdon_uk @ Mar 18 2009, 12:40 PM) *

So here's my stupid question, that I'm really having problems with:

I've got a barbershop song in E flat Mjr, but the first chord is:
Bass - B flat
Bari - D flat
Lead - F natural
Tenor - G natural

So for those of you who don't know, in barbershop, we blow the pitch note, which in normal cases would be an Eflat, and the four parts would work out their note from that.

However, in this case, if we blew E flat, the Basses would just about get their note and the Tenor's would get theirs, but the Bari's and Lead's have both got an awkward not to pitch (and they're not allowed to make any sound whilst they are finding the note).

So first question - what do you guys reckon the chord is?

Second question - what should we blow to make the pitching easier... we had been blowing a G (as I got all confubbled, and decided that the relative minor to Eb is G minor, not C minor), which worked for everyone except the Leads.

Thanks

Donna


Go for the Bflat I think! The tenor will be able to get the note from the lead. (or by singing l d m f, not necessarily the most correct way, but you would end up on the right note!). Or blowing the G and the F?
Czerny
I agree that if the key is Eb, the chord you describe is most likely to be Bbm6. I would blow the Bb, being the root of the chord. I'm a bit puzzled as to why people can't pick up a Db or an F from an Eb - or an F from a G - as they're all just intervals of a major second (i.e. a tone). Anyway, blowing the Bb should solve the problem.
leahdon_uk
QUOTE(Czerny @ Mar 18 2009, 03:21 PM) *

I agree that if the key is Eb, the chord you describe is most likely to be Bbm6. I would blow the Bb, being the root of the chord. I'm a bit puzzled as to why people can't pick up a Db or an F from an Eb - or an F from a G - as they're all just intervals of a major second (i.e. a tone). Anyway, blowing the Bb should solve the problem.


Thanks to all of you for your comments.

I'll try the B flat.

Donna
pizazz
About Acciaccatura's....

I remember my teacher telling me how to pronounce it, he told me to say it like this:

Aki Akka tura

Thats how I say it - don't know if it is right or wrong though! huh.gif
petrat
QUOTE(briantrumpet @ Mar 16 2009, 07:57 AM) *

QUOTE(cambiata @ Mar 16 2009, 07:51 AM) *

Ah - spelling is all very well but how do you actually pronounce acciaccatura? biggrin.gif
Of course I know or I wouldn't be asking tongue.gif

Funnily enough I've only just learned this ..... "achiaccckatoora", I'm reliably informed. I've been mispronouncing it for just 35 years or so.



Try this way instead, and sneeze a bit as you do so. (preferably over your teacher!) laugh.gif
pizazz
QUOTE(cambiata @ Mar 20 2009, 11:59 AM) *

QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 20 2009, 10:56 AM) *

QUOTE(briantrumpet @ Mar 16 2009, 07:57 AM) *

QUOTE(cambiata @ Mar 16 2009, 07:51 AM) *

Ah - spelling is all very well but how do you actually pronounce acciaccatura? biggrin.gif
Of course I know or I wouldn't be asking tongue.gif

Funnily enough I've only just learned this ..... "achiaccckatoora", I'm reliably informed. I've been mispronouncing it for just 35 years or so.



Try this way instead, and sneeze a bit as you do so. (preferably over your teacher!) laugh.gif



laugh.gif That's a brilliant way to remember the 'ch' sound!



There is a 'ch' sound hides.gif ? Oh dear, I've been saying it wrong for years then!
jenny
QUOTE(pizazz @ Mar 20 2009, 11:34 AM) *

About Acciaccatura's....

I remember my teacher telling me how to pronounce it, he told me to say it like this:

Aki Akka tura

Thats how I say it - don't know if it is right or wrong though! huh.gif


Me, too. But I'm afraid it's not right! blush.gif
Misterioso
QUOTE(pizazz @ Mar 20 2009, 12:25 PM) *

There is a 'ch' sound hides.gif ? Oh dear, I've been saying it wrong for years then!

Ditto.

wacko.gif
sjc
QUOTE(cambiata @ Mar 20 2009, 12:56 PM) *

QUOTE(pizazz @ Mar 20 2009, 12:25 PM) *

There is a 'ch' sound hides.gif ? Oh dear, I've been saying it wrong for years then!



QUOTE(jenny @ Mar 20 2009, 12:29 PM) *

QUOTE(pizazz @ Mar 20 2009, 11:34 AM) *

About Acciaccatura's....

I remember my teacher telling me how to pronounce it, he told me to say it like this:

Aki Akka tura

Thats how I say it - don't know if it is right or wrong though! huh.gif


Me, too. But I'm afraid it's not right! blush.gif


Me too - I only found out last Saturday!! ph34r.gif At least I think my pupil is right in correcting me. He said a double letter in Italian is pronounced softly - like in arpeggio - we don't say arp-peg-io (as in a clothes 'peg') wacko.gif I think the aki akka sound is useful for learning how to spell it though.


http://www.musictheory.org.uk/res-musical-...sical-terms.php
Oh what a shame its not on the list musical terms prononced for you in an english voice blink.gif this site also deals with key signatures, scales and has manuscript paper to download not forgetting a guitar tuner.
Belinda
I don't know any Italian but I know quite a lot of French and German and his pronunciation is not always correct ... so don't alter the habits of a lifetime without checking elsewhere first ......
Andantino
Does it matter exactly how its said if its in another language anyhow and we all know what it means??
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