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pianodub
QUOTE(Czerny @ Mar 16 2009, 01:15 PM) *

QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ Mar 16 2009, 01:01 PM) *

The spelling of the word 'staccato' used to be my bete noire too. ph34r.gif

NB This is emphatically NOT a dig at anybody! smile.gif

Words music teachers need to be able to spell:

Acciaccatura
Accompaniment
Accompanist
Accompany
Appoggiatura
Lose (as in 'please do not lose your music')
Loose (as in 'keep your wrist loose')
Practice (the noun)
Practise (the verb)
Rhythm
Separate (as 'practise with separate hands')
Staccato

Any additions?


I agree about the spelling, but my problem is that I have developed major hang-ups about at least three of these words! My pupils go HS for hand separately or if I am in danger of writing the word in it's entirety, they get sep. I have spent so long wondering if I have spelt it correctly, it now always looks wrong! Similarly I have become madly paranoid about practice and practise...I now run the sentences in my head with advice and advise to check them!!!

Considering I have 30 pupils with 30 notebooks, this is only slightly ridiculous!!!!

It is amazing how much of a knot one can get into trying to be correct.
Roseau
QUOTE(pianodub @ Mar 16 2009, 02:30 PM) *

I agree about the spelling, but my problem is that I have developed major hang-ups about at least three of these words! My pupils go HS for hand separately or if I am in danger of writing the word in it's entirety, they get sep.

To remember this one, just think about having to "pay rate(s)" wink.gif
Holz Gedeckt
QUOTE(kerioboe @ Mar 16 2009, 01:34 PM) *

QUOTE(pianodub @ Mar 16 2009, 02:30 PM) *

I agree about the spelling, but my problem is that I have developed major hang-ups about at least three of these words! My pupils go HS for hand separately or if I am in danger of writing the word in it's entirety, they get sep.

To remember this one, just think about having to "pay rate(s)" wink.gif

Nice one! I like it! biggrin.gif

Any more suggestions like this, folks?
Czerny
QUOTE(pianodub @ Mar 16 2009, 01:30 PM) *

I agree about the spelling, but my problem is that I have developed major hang-ups about at least three of these words! My pupils go HS for hand separately or if I am in danger of writing the word in its entirety, they get sep. I have spent so long wondering if I have spelt it correctly, it now always looks wrong! Similarly I have become madly paranoid about practice and practise...I now run the sentences in my head with advice and advise to check them!!!

'Separate' is symmetrical: e-a-a-e. Easy peasy!

Oh, 'detached' is another one. Like you, I always find it looks wrong and wonder if it should have a second 't'.
Arundodonuts
QUOTE(Czerny @ Mar 16 2009, 12:56 PM) *

QUOTE(noodle @ Mar 16 2009, 09:47 AM) *

My question - What's a treble clef? unsure.gif

Ooh, ooh, I know this one!! It means that you use your right hand! party1.gif

QUOTE(anacrusis @ Mar 16 2009, 10:42 AM) *

QUOTE(Czerny @ Mar 16 2009, 08:43 AM) *

Or perhaps, how many music teachers does it take to change a lightbulb? (Any answers to this one?!)

Three - one to teach the theory, one to teach the practical, and one to do the accompaniment.

Or two - one to change the lightbulb and one to say "well done, now do that again from the beginning!"

Without stopping.
maggiemay
R hythm
H as
Y our
T wo
H ips
M oving
Czerny
QUOTE(pushpull @ Mar 16 2009, 01:42 PM) *

Without stopping.

'With a looser wrist' (for piano, and possibly string, teachers).
Or 'without shattering it this time' (for singing teachers).
Arundodonuts
QUOTE(sjc @ Mar 16 2009, 12:34 PM) *

isnt it dangerous to profess to know everything!! Makes you look....arrogant

Only to onlookers. The one who does the professing feels smug, superior and probably lots of other things I can't begin to imagine since I don't know everything. Not by a long chalk.
Maizie
QUOTE(pianodub @ Mar 16 2009, 01:30 PM) *
I have spent so long wondering if I have spelt it correctly, it now always looks wrong!

Non-musical...but I remember at one of my driving lessons my driving instructor making a note that next week we had to go through all the manoevres. Manouvers. Maneouvres. The next week we came to my lesson, and she said to me "Were they really that bad last week?" to which I had to tell her no, she didn't write it down three times for emphasis, it was just that she couldn't work out the spelling.

I do remember at quite a young age my mother saying (with irony) that it was easy to remember how to spell permanent because it has man in the middle (and the other vowels are e).
PianoDoodler
QUOTE(jod @ Mar 16 2009, 01:25 PM) *
QUOTE(PianoDoodler @ Mar 16 2009, 01:22 PM) *

QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ Mar 16 2009, 01:01 PM) *
The spelling of the word 'staccato' used to be my bete noire too. ph34r.gif

Hehe. Pride and embarrassment prevents me detailing what I did to the word, 'crotchet' for years. blush.gif

Did involve wool and a hook perchance?

I'm sayin' nuttin'. ph34r.gif
petrat
I wish that all woodwind players and teachers would learn how to spell the word "tongue".
chocolatedog
QUOTE(PianoDoodler @ Mar 16 2009, 01:49 PM) *

QUOTE(jod @ Mar 16 2009, 01:25 PM) *
QUOTE(PianoDoodler @ Mar 16 2009, 01:22 PM) *

QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ Mar 16 2009, 01:01 PM) *
The spelling of the word 'staccato' used to be my bete noire too. ph34r.gif

Hehe. Pride and embarrassment prevents me detailing what I did to the word, 'crotchet' for years. blush.gif

Did involve wool and a hook perchance?

I'm sayin' nuttin'. ph34r.gif



So it involves nuts?? unsure.gif blink.gif
Belinda
QUOTE(maggiemay @ Mar 16 2009, 01:45 PM) *

R hythm
H as
Y our
T wo
H ips
M oving

that's wonderful!!!!

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i was trying to add a smiley - how do you do that? Is that a stupid question? Please don't shout at me..................
Holz Gedeckt
QUOTE(Belinda @ Mar 16 2009, 02:43 PM) *

i was trying to add a smiley - how do you do that?

Just click on one of them on the left when you're replying. They're all there under "Clickable Smilies" - see? smile.gif
BerkshireMum
I'd like to add "metronome" to the spelling list - son's teacher always spelt it "metranome" which just looks wrong! biggrin.gif
jenny
QUOTE(PianoDoodler @ Mar 16 2009, 01:02 PM) *


No no no no no noooooooooooo. Leave the throne throne seat where it is. Playing easily with our left hand, a difficult passage our victim pupil is murdering with his/her right hand, is one of the few ways remaining we have of establishing any sort of superiority these days. laugh.gif


agree.gif My young students think I'm very clever when I play their right hand part with my left hand!!
They also think it's fun when I ask them to play their right hand part and I play with my hands on either side of it - I call it 'putting them in the sandwich!' biggrin.gif
Ayshah
QUOTE(jod @ Mar 16 2009, 11:49 AM) *

Don't start me on left and right D. I can't tell the difference.


Oooo i can help a bit with this one smile.gif My grand dad taught me this when I was little:

"I write with my right hand so this side is the right,
the Other hand is the left, so that side is the left"

I really dont know what to do about Left hand persons sad.gif

My spelling issue (And I am an English teacher!) remains Practice and Practise which is the noun and which the verb. I just cant remember it *Hangs head in shame* embarassed.gif
river
just hold both hands in front of you and make a right angle with the thumb and index finger. the left hand will make an 'L' shape.
Roseau
QUOTE(Ayshah @ Mar 16 2009, 05:20 PM) *

My spelling issue (And I am an English teacher!) remains Practice and Practise which is the noun and which the verb. I just cant remember it *Hangs head in shame* embarassed.gif

Just remember that the verb has "is" (which is also a verb) in it.
jod
QUOTE(Ayshah @ Mar 16 2009, 04:20 PM) *

QUOTE(jod @ Mar 16 2009, 11:49 AM) *

Don't start me on left and right D. I can't tell the difference.


Oooo i can help a bit with this one smile.gif My grand dad taught me this when I was little:

"I write with my right hand so this side is the right,
the Other hand is the left, so that side is the left"

I really dont know what to do about Left hand persons sad.gif

My spelling issue (And I am an English teacher!) remains Practice and Practise which is the noun and which the verb. I just cant remember it *Hangs head in shame* embarassed.gif


Being dexterous I do write with my right hand, however having a sinsiter husband he does not. As for the L thing that does not work with people who really can not tell the difference.
Aquarelle
I am an absolute dunce at spelling any Russian composer's name - assuming I can even remember which ones are Russian.
Dulciana
QUOTE(sjc @ Mar 16 2009, 12:34 PM) *

QUOTE(Dulciana @ Mar 16 2009, 12:19 PM) *

QUOTE(sbhoa @ Mar 16 2009, 12:16 PM) *

QUOTE(Czerny @ Mar 16 2009, 08:43 AM) *

Or perhaps, how many music teachers does it take to change a lightbulb? (Any answers to this one?!)


None... you wait until your electrician student arrives for his/her lesson.


QUOTE(PianoDoodler @ Mar 16 2009, 12:02 PM) *

QUOTE(Dulciana @ Mar 16 2009, 11:55 AM) *

I'm considering moving my teaching throne seat from the right of the pupils to the left, having started wondering why, for years, I'm attempting to play their right hand bits with my left hand, when I'm used to being a secondo duet player and am much more adept at playing their left hand bits with my right hand.

No no no no no noooooooooooo. Leave the throne throne seat where it is. Playing easily with our left hand, a difficult passage our victim pupil is murdering with his/her right hand, is one of the few ways remaining we have of establishing any sort of superiority these days. laugh.gif


Or the reverse.... biggrin.gif


Actually I think I remember reading somewhere in the dim and distant past that we can only claim virtuosity in this respect if we're able to do it whilst stirring our coffee with the other hand.



isnt it dangerous to profess to know everything!! Makes you look....arrogant and I dont think I would want a teacher who tried to bluff their way out of a difficult/unknown question, think I would respect them more for honesty!


Ok. I admit it. I can only stir in an anticlockwise direction.
anacrusis
QUOTE(Aquarelle @ Mar 16 2009, 04:50 PM) *

I am an absolute dunce at spelling any Russian composer's name - assuming I can even remember which ones are Russian.


I'd have said you were off the hook on the Russian composers thing - I'm not sure there is consensus across the rest of Europe on how to spell them either biggrin.gif.
willobie
QUOTE(Dulciana @ Mar 16 2009, 05:09 PM) *

QUOTE(sjc @ Mar 16 2009, 12:34 PM) *

QUOTE(Dulciana @ Mar 16 2009, 12:19 PM) *

QUOTE(sbhoa @ Mar 16 2009, 12:16 PM) *

QUOTE(Czerny @ Mar 16 2009, 08:43 AM) *

Or perhaps, how many music teachers does it take to change a lightbulb? (Any answers to this one?!)


None... you wait until your electrician student arrives for his/her lesson.


QUOTE(PianoDoodler @ Mar 16 2009, 12:02 PM) *

QUOTE(Dulciana @ Mar 16 2009, 11:55 AM) *

I'm considering moving my teaching throne seat from the right of the pupils to the left, having started wondering why, for years, I'm attempting to play their right hand bits with my left hand, when I'm used to being a secondo duet player and am much more adept at playing their left hand bits with my right hand.

No no no no no noooooooooooo. Leave the throne throne seat where it is. Playing easily with our left hand, a difficult passage our victim pupil is murdering with his/her right hand, is one of the few ways remaining we have of establishing any sort of superiority these days. laugh.gif


Or the reverse.... biggrin.gif


Actually I think I remember reading somewhere in the dim and distant past that we can only claim virtuosity in this respect if we're able to do it whilst stirring our coffee with the other hand.



isnt it dangerous to profess to know everything!! Makes you look....arrogant and I dont think I would want a teacher who tried to bluff their way out of a difficult/unknown question, think I would respect them more for honesty!


Ok. I admit it. I can only stir in an anticlockwise direction.

Me too!
W biggrin.gif
Daisy Duck
QUOTE(jod @ Mar 16 2009, 09:12 AM) *

Talking of grace notes, probably something on the lines of what is the difference between an appogiatura and a acciacatura?



I had that question on my Grade 5 Theory Exam... and I got it wrong. It was the only question I got wrong on the whole thing. You'd think I'd remember the difference now... but nope! I know what each one of them looks like and how to play them properly. So it doesn't particularly matter if I can't remember what each one of them is called.

Fortunately, we don't see them often in trumpet music and I'd look it up if I needed to.

I don't think teachers can be expected know EVERYTHING! There's nothing wrong in admitting you're not sure about something and showing a child how to look up the answer in a dictionary or on the internet.
Belinda
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did that work!?

Oh I see it did - this topic has taught me something! Thanks
sarah123
My piano teacher has, on several occasions, spelled (or is it spelt wacko.gif) staccato with an 'o' instead of the first a. wacko.gif
jenny
QUOTE(jod @ Mar 16 2009, 10:12 AM) *

Talking of grace notes, probably something on the lines of what is the difference between an appogiatura and a acciacatura?



Sorry, but you need to see Czerny's spelling list! (No offence!) blush.gif blush.gif blush.gif
chocolatedog
QUOTE(willobie @ Mar 16 2009, 12:58 PM) *

QUOTE(jod @ Mar 16 2009, 12:56 PM) *

QUOTE(Czerny @ Mar 16 2009, 12:54 PM) *

QUOTE(noodle @ Mar 16 2009, 09:47 AM) *

My question - What's a treble clef? unsure.gif

Ooh, ooh, I know this one!! It means that you use your right hand! party1.gif

Can some one tell me which one that is please?

I can relate to that!

W biggrin.gif



Please help me - I have only one Right Hand - how do I play a piece called "primo"? (And why is it all written on the right page of any pair of pages?) I know dancers can have 2 left feet, but can pianists have 2 right hands? unsure.gif
Alder
QUOTE(HelenVJ @ Mar 16 2009, 09:41 AM) *

Gaps in my knowledge? Yes, I have plenty. But, rather than 'The only stupid question is the one that doesn't get asked' ( patently untrue! If I take my car to the local garage saying there is a noise coming from the exhaust, I wouldn't expect the mechanic to ask to be reminded where the said exhaust might be located. I can also think of several questions that I hope my GP would not need to ask), I prefer 'Why keep quiet and risk appearing a fool when you can open your mouth and remove all possible doubt?. Or even 'A little knowledge is a dangerous thing'

I found this a little ironic, given the context.

Alexander Pope:

A little learning is a dangerous thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.


One of those quotes that people rarely get right... happy.gif
HelenVJ
Wow - you really do learn something every day on here! Thanks, Alder - I'll remember that! thanks.gif
Holz Gedeckt
Whilst 'A little learning is a dangerous thing' is the correct quotation, 'A little knowledge is a dangerous thing' is also a well-known saying, and equally valid. To try and argue against the latter being said is merely pedantry and nit-picking.
songsinger


Acciaccatura / Appoggiatura

I thought of: the one with all the 'c' s has the top 'c'rossed out.

Not exactly helpful when you're working out what each means, but sometimes useful in a theory paper I hope.


Dulciana
Can I just throw a philosophical spanner into the works here and suggest that sometimes a little knowledge/learning can mean that the one with the knowledge/learning is able to see the wood without being hampered by the trees? "Intoxicating the brain" with a little understanding can provide purpose and intent that will see no obstacles, and therefore the person with the 'little knowledge' will not be hindered by the psychological barriers that might deter the trouble-shooter...?


But we're getting too serious here, folks!

Sorry, PianoDoodler. ph34r.gif

My question - Why, oh why, do I have to keep saying "Cb! Remember the Cb!!!" when we all know that it would be remembered so much more quickly in practice and performance if I just said "Tippex them all out and change them to a ####### B!"



Holz Gedeckt
QUOTE(Dulciana @ Mar 16 2009, 11:06 PM) *

My question - Why, oh why, do I have to keep saying "Cb! Remember the Cb!!!" when we all know that it would be remembered so much more quickly in practice and performance if I just said "Tippex them all out and change them to a ####### B!"

Cor! I remember doing something like that in my late teens and getting hauled over the coals by my teacher.... rolleyes.gif
sarah123
QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ Mar 16 2009, 11:08 PM) *

QUOTE(Dulciana @ Mar 16 2009, 11:06 PM) *

My question - Why, oh why, do I have to keep saying "Cb! Remember the Cb!!!" when we all know that it would be remembered so much more quickly in practice and performance if I just said "Tippex them all out and change them to a ####### B!"

Cor! I remember doing something like that in my late teens and getting hauled over the coals by my teacher.... rolleyes.gif


My piano teacher wasn't too pleased when I changed a load of E#s into Fs a couple of months ago. MY argument was that it was a stupid idea to write them as E# given it was a piece of modern atonal piano music, so it wasn't even that E# made more sense in the context of the key dry.gif
Dulciana
QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ Mar 16 2009, 11:08 PM) *

QUOTE(Dulciana @ Mar 16 2009, 11:06 PM) *

My question - Why, oh why, do I have to keep saying "Cb! Remember the Cb!!!" when we all know that it would be remembered so much more quickly in practice and performance if I just said "Tippex them all out and change them to a ####### B!"

Cor! I remember doing something like that in my late teens and getting hauled over the coals by my teacher.... rolleyes.gif

Thank G#d you didn't actually answer the question. I couldn't have faced that at this time of night. ph34r.gif
petrat
Yes, and quite right too. C flat ain't B. It might look like it on a keyboard but a B it isn't.

anacrusis
laugh.gif even on the recorder, when it is feasible to make different sounds for Cb and B*, I'll write, but in pencil, over the offending note to remind myself which fingering to do....

* the Cb is, if I've remembered this one correctly, sharper than the B
Holz Gedeckt
QUOTE(Dulciana @ Mar 16 2009, 11:13 PM) *

QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ Mar 16 2009, 11:08 PM) *

QUOTE(Dulciana @ Mar 16 2009, 11:06 PM) *

My question - Why, oh why, do I have to keep saying "Cb! Remember the Cb!!!" when we all know that it would be remembered so much more quickly in practice and performance if I just said "Tippex them all out and change them to a ####### B!"

Cor! I remember doing something like that in my late teens and getting hauled over the coals by my teacher.... rolleyes.gif

Thank G#d you didn't actually answer the question. I couldn't have faced that at this time of night. ph34r.gif

<pedant mode on>
I didn't realise it was a question, as you didn't put a question mark at the end! tongue.gif biggrin.gif
<pedant mode off>

QUOTE(petrat @ Mar 16 2009, 11:13 PM) *

Yes, and quite right too. C flat ain't B. It might look like it on a keyboard but a B it isn't.

Tsk! These recorder-playing purists.... unsure.gif laugh.gif
SueHM
As a mere organist, one couldn't possibly expect you to appreciate these subtleties...
Holz Gedeckt
QUOTE(SueHM @ Mar 16 2009, 11:24 PM) *

As a mere organist, one couldn't possibly expect you to appreciate these subtleties...

You may indeed be a mere organist, Sue, but don't underestimate me.... tongue.gif

laugh.gif
Alder
QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ Mar 16 2009, 10:08 PM) *

Whilst 'A little learning is a dangerous thing' is the correct quotation, 'A little knowledge is a dangerous thing' is also a well-known saying, and equally valid. To try and argue against the latter being said is merely pedantry and nit-picking.



QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ Mar 16 2009, 11:23 PM) *

<pedant mode on>
I didn't realise it was a question, as you didn't put a question mark at the end! tongue.gif biggrin.gif
<pedant mode off>

I'm glad I'm in good company! smile.gif
Holz Gedeckt
QUOTE(Alder @ Mar 16 2009, 11:39 PM) *

QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ Mar 16 2009, 10:08 PM) *

Whilst 'A little learning is a dangerous thing' is the correct quotation, 'A little knowledge is a dangerous thing' is also a well-known saying, and equally valid. To try and argue against the latter being said is merely pedantry and nit-picking.



QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ Mar 16 2009, 11:23 PM) *

<pedant mode on>
I didn't realise it was a question, as you didn't put a question mark at the end! tongue.gif biggrin.gif
<pedant mode off>

I'm glad I'm in good company! smile.gif

Touché! biggrin.gif
Alder
QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ Mar 16 2009, 11:43 PM) *

Touché! biggrin.gif

Och, that's rather sporting of you to take it that way!

Shakes hands and offers a cup of tea. smile.gif

(And may I recommend "The Pedant's Return - Why Things that You Thought Are Wrong Are Right" by Andrea Barham. Fun book...)
Holz Gedeckt
QUOTE(Alder @ Mar 17 2009, 12:01 AM) *

(And may I recommend "The Pedant's Return - Why Things that You Thought Are Wrong Are Right" by Andrea Barham. Fun book...)

I'll look it up! Thanks. biggrin.gif
Juan Carlos
QUOTE(PianoDoodler @ Mar 16 2009, 01:36 AM) *

You know those 'squashed notes' - the tiny ones with the lines through the tails? Are these spelled:

Acciacciatura?

Aciacciatura?

Aciaccatura?
biggrin.gif

From the horse's mough, here in Italy (double consonants are hard to remember even for some native speakers). Both "c's" are double, that's how you can remember!
So: acciaccatura
Roseau
QUOTE(sarah123 @ Mar 17 2009, 12:13 AM) *

My piano teacher wasn't too pleased when I changed a load of E#s into Fs a couple of months ago. MY argument was that it was a stupid idea to write them as E# given it was a piece of modern atonal piano music, so it wasn't even that E# made more sense in the context of the key dry.gif

I confused my oboe teacher totally doing this in a piece of contemporary oboe music with which he was unfamiliar. He uses "F" to indicate that you need to use a forked fingering (whereas I use "2" to avoid confusion with the note name). When he tried to play the passage to show me how to articulate it he kept using the wrong fingering everytime he saw an "F."
chocolatedog
QUOTE(anacrusis @ Mar 16 2009, 11:20 PM) *

laugh.gif even on the recorder, when it is feasible to make different sounds for Cb and B*, I'll write, but in pencil, over the offending note to remind myself which fingering to do....

* the Cb is, if I've remembered this one correctly, sharper than the B



Surely it depends how much you sharpened the pencil???
anacrusis
laugh.gif
I have pencils in sharp and flat varieties biggrin.gif
Does that make me a useless teacher or an over-organised one?
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