EDIT: Sorry to anybody trying to decipher this. I've spent the last 20 minutes trying to sort out the blessed quotes, and I can't see what's wrong with it!

I'm not going to spend any more time on it - I've got a life to live....

[quote name='Vox Humana' date='May 27 2009, 01:00 AM' post='830272']
[quote name='organ_dummy' post='829273' date='May 23 2009, 02:51 PM']Also, it would be more useful to have the ARCO and FRCO diplomas than the FTCL.[/quote]
I agree. Whilst the FTCL is undoubtedly a top diploma, like it or not, it is the RCO exams that continue to carry the real kudos in the organ world. It's still the first thing people look for.
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Hmmm. Not so sure I'd agree, Vox, having come across more than one FRCO who seem to find playing 'Wolvercote' as difficult as one of the riddles of the Sphinx.
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[quote name='Holz Gedeckt' post='829302' date='May 23 2009, 03:53 PM']the hoops which the RCO nowadays require candidates to jump through for FRCO are quite ridiculous, and require candidates to spend a lengthy amount of time acquiring skills which they would be most unlikely ever to use again[/quote]
Really?

How very dare you. I fear this means Mounted Cornets at dawn!
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I'll come armed with a Trompette en Chamade!

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As regards the FRCO I will concede at once that there is one requirement that is anally retentive - the inclusion of the soprano clef in the score reading exercise. Who is ever going to need to read it at sight? It might conceivably be useful to the cathedral organist who comes across some old 19th-century editions in the choir library, or to the academic incacerated in the stacks of some university library, but it's an obsolete clef for goodness' sake! Dare I suggest that it's only there because the RCO want to keep up with the Joneses in the universities? *
That apart, the tests seem to me perfectly reasonable and relevant in today's musical world. But it is very much a case of horses for courses. If you are an organist and want a top diploma that simply attests to your skill as a performer and nothing more then the FRCO is probably not for you. It's overkill.
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Have you seen an up-to-date syllabus, Vox?
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The FRCO aims to test far more than that; it is testing the complete range of musicianship, of which performance is only a part, albeit a major one. It is the stuff of legend that, as a student, Sir George Thalben-Ball stood in at the last minute for an indisposed Walford Davies and sight-read the accompaniment to ten movements from Bach's B minor mass - from the orchestral score, transposing it down a semitone. Now even the RCO might baulk at setting that for a test, but, in principle, that is the sort of breadth of musicianship they are seeking to examine. Musical theory and the applicant's practical ability to wield it is also in there - as is musical history.
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Yes, that was pretty exceptional. But how many of us would need to do that?
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The FRCO seeks to examine the all-round musician. Mere performers, look elsewhere!
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I'd argue that, having incorporated all the reasonable tests in ARCO, they had to think of something else to come up with, and have introduced all these additional requirements which didn't used to be sought in the FRCO syllabus.
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Aah! The wife's away and the single malt is exceedingly fine tonight!
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So I'd gathered!

Has the last batch of Co-Op's Aberlour disappeared yet?

[quote name='Vox Humana' date='May 27 2009, 01:36 AM' post='830276']
[quote name='Holz Gedeckt' post='829313' date='May 23 2009, 04:11 PM']What a pity ARCM isn't available nowadays![/quote]WHAT? You mean they've abolished it? Sacrilege!
[quote]When I sat it - about 18-20 years ago ... ii, the required performance standard was every bit as high as FRCO[/quote]Really? Assuming you mean the performer's diploma rather than the teacher's (which you must since the latter didn't require anything like the same standard of playing), I wouldn't have said so. I don't recall the tests being as stiff (well, to be honest, I don't recall the tests at all!) As I saw it, it was exactly on a par with the LRAM. I remember that the pieces in the teacher's ARCM were roughly ARCO standard, so I can see your point, but I really don't think the performer's exam was quite as exacting as the FRCO. Just my take on it - I might be wrong.
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Yes, it was the performer's diploma. I'll have to dig out an old syllabus if I can find one, and we can compare notes!

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[quote]and iii, it was transparent. Although the failure rate was high, it was merely because the candidates who failed hadn't reached the required standard to satisfy the specialist examiners - not because they hadn't been to consultation lessons with a certain RCO officer beforehand, which was rumoured (with due reason) to have been necessary at that time to have gained an RCO diploma.[/quote]I find this hard to credit. What is this due reason then? All I can say is that when, after a stupidly long interval (during which I gave up the organ altogether for three years), I eventually came to do my FR I didn't have any lessons from anyone and it didn't do me any harm. OK, the bastards failed me the first time around, mainly because they didn't like my Bach, but the second time I made sure I gave them the flippant, superficial sort of interpretation I knew they wanted and sailed through.

Admittedly it was a bit more than 18-20 years ago, but not by all that much.
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Crumbs, I guess the censor isn't working!
The FRCO syllabus was reasonable then. It's changed a lot since....