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musbird
Hey everyone

I have been playing for about 15weeks now and im almost ready to take grade 3. So as a treat, and to help my music playing, I thought I might invest in a SV 150. (I saw it in an issue of "strings" magazine and ive been looking at them on the internet.

Anyone have any experince with these silent violins? Are they as good as they seem?

It would really help me to be able to slow down some parts of the music to get my fingers spot on tuning wise and this seems like a good option (only downside is very pricey).

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river
the SV-150 has a reasonable reputation. at that price you might also look at Bridge - i know quite a few people who use these and like them. however, the sound is still quite different from an acoustic instrument.

but i'm slightly confused about why this would help you slow down music?
musbird
QUOTE(river @ Jul 10 2009, 10:16 PM) *

the SV-150 has a reasonable reputation. at that price you might also look at Bridge - i know quite a few people who use these and like them. however, the sound is still quite different from an acoustic instrument.

but i'm slightly confused about why this would help you slow down music?


There is a control box that allows you to slow down or speed up music...helps you play difficult parts by starting them slow and picking up the pace...

Ill have at the bridge in a min
river
i don't understand; surely the speed the music is at depends on how fast you play it.

do you mean you want to slow down pre-recorded music to play along at a slower speed? you can do that on a computer, no need for any boxes or electric instruments.
musbird
QUOTE(river @ Jul 10 2009, 10:26 PM) *

i don't understand; surely the speed the music is at depends on how fast you play it.

do you mean you want to slow down pre-recorded music to play along at a slower speed? you can do that on a computer, no need for any boxes or electric instruments.


You load any music onto the SD card in the box and then if there is a trick bit that you cant play at the normal speed, you can slow it down to play along with it, then gradually speed it up till you can play at the speed required...

I dont know much about these things, like I say not been playing long...hence asking for advice..

It just sounds really useful cos while learning my grade 3 pieces I have had to learn parts at a slow speed and build it up, but not been able to use the CD to play along with cos it was too fast for me..

I can play along now but I think I would have prob cut a few weeks off with this...

it also helps you tune, it tells you whether the notes you play are correct ie sharp/flat.

It sounds a good gadget but if you know something better then thats cool...

Cheers for replying, really appreciate it...

ps any tips on how to slow down on a computer? is a application I would download? (Sorry -not very techy) wink.gif
jojo
QUOTE(musbird @ Jul 10 2009, 11:05 PM) *



it also helps you tune, it tells you whether the notes you play are correct ie sharp/flat.


Now, that would have been a very appealing feature to me BUT my new teacher was 'horrified' when I said I 'sometimes' use a chromatic tuner to see if I am playing the right note, he nearly had an heart attack ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif and said NOOOOOOOO you must use your ears, check against open strings etc etc etc
bless, he was so struck by what I said I was doing that I now do NOT dare using my tuner anymore since laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif even though he is not right behind me when I am home alone and he would never know, I just think of the expression on his face and it's enough to stop me from getting it out of the drawer where it's been for the past 3 weeks laugh.gif laugh.gif
river
QUOTE(musbird @ Jul 10 2009, 11:05 PM) *

it also helps you tune, it tells you whether the notes you play are correct ie sharp/flat.


it can't do that. even within the same piece, you sometimes want a different intonation for the same note depending on its context, the surrounding chord, etc. of course, it takes a long time to learn that, but if you don't learn to listen for the correct note by ear, you'll never get it.

QUOTE(musbird @ Jul 10 2009, 11:05 PM) *

ps any tips on how to slow down on a computer? is a application I would download? (Sorry -not very techy) wink.gif


i usually use Audacity (a sound editing package) for this, but i know a lot of people like the Amazing Slow Downer - it's fairly expensive though, £32.
musbird


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ps any tips on how to slow down on a computer? is a application I would download? (Sorry -not very techy) wink.gif
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i usually use Audacity (a sound editing package) for this, but i know a lot of people like the Amazing Slow Downer - it's fairly expensive though, £32.
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Cheers - ill have a look!!
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Misterioso
agree.gif absolutely. Very well put, rosfrog.
musbird
Totally agree!!

To be fair - the fact that the SV has that feature is of no interest to me.

My teacher likes me to listen to the varients of notes and remember the different sounds and from that I have learnt a great deal.

In fact, just today, we were talking about starting to tune in 5ths and only using the tuner to check if my ears have "tuned" the violin. I have been trying it for a couple of weeks and my ears are getting better....
Also been doing mock listening tests for when I take my exam...

I suppose Im interested in one cos 1) it will allow me to practice without being concious that the neighbours can hear (being a newish player im not that confident at the mo) and 2) think will help me learn tricky bits faster if I can play note on note but slowed down...
Claudia's Mum
QUOTE(rosfrog @ Jul 11 2009, 09:59 AM) *

I agree with those being horrified at tuner usage ! Tuners are based on a tempered scale which assumes that when you want to play an A, for example, you always want to play the same A.

However, in a real musical context this is not the case.

The A in the key of Bb will sound very odd if you play it at precisely the same pitch as the A in the key of D, for example - in the first case it's playing the role of the seventh, in the second case, the dominant - and each harmonic role has a slightly different sound within the scale.

The only way to be truly in tune is to learn to understand the roles of the notes within the scale and make sure they sound appropriately in tune for the scale you're playing in - rather than some fixed value such as a tuner which doesn't know or care what scale you're playing in.

I frequently have this conversation with students who have perfect pitch and sing horribly out of tune because they are sightreading by the note height, rather than by the role the note occupies in the scale. French violinists also look surprised at me sometimes (the lower level ones anyway) when I suggest that if they tune their open strings to the tuner, then the fiddle will be out of tune. They truly believe that 'g is g and ever more shall be so'.

Nope!

Use your ears.


I never knew this - thanks! Have never tried a tuner anyway.
jojo
QUOTE(rosfrog @ Jul 11 2009, 01:35 PM) *



If you're tuning in fifths, incidentally, using your ears and eliminating the beats, then your tuner won't read the strings as being in tune, so you can't use it to confirm what your ears are telling you. If your A is in tune, your D must be slightly flat, the G slightly flatter again and E slightly sharp by the tuner's standards for your fiddle to be truly in tune. Similarly if you play an F sharp in tune in the key of G, your tuner will think it's wildly high. If you play it where the tuner says it's in tune, it will be flat.


This is SO true!
for nearly 2 years my (old) violin teacher used to tune my violin for me at the beginning of the lesson, even though I tuned it with the tuner. After the lesson and after he'd left, I'd stick the tuner on and check the open strings and used to ALWAYS find that the tuner would tell me that the G and A were slightly flat and the E was either spot on or slightly sharp, just like rosfrog said!
Always thought it was my teacher who could not tune well enough laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Thanks for that explanation Rosfrog, GREATLY appreciated!
river
QUOTE(musbird @ Jul 11 2009, 01:13 PM) *

I suppose Im interested in one cos 1) it will allow me to practice without being concious that the neighbours can hear (being a newish player im not that confident at the mo)


i use an electric fiddle for this, although i can't afford one like the SV-150 (i use a cheap Chinese one, basically a solid body with a piezo pickup under the bridge). i prefer it to a mute; you can hear the tone much better, while a mute makes it hard to hear if you're playing properly. the only thing to watch out for is the volume knob; since you can make an electric instrument as loud as you want, it's tempting to play quietly and turn the volume up, which means when you play on an acoustic, it's suddenly very quiet.
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