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fsharpminor
Because I only play for my own enjoyment, I cover a huge repertoire, but never practise anything really seriously, however recently I have been having a go at Op31 No2.
It's not as difficult as it first seems, a few fingering issues in the faster passagework I have sorted.
But there's just a few bars in the slow movement I just can't get the hang of. I haven't got a copy in front of me right now but around bar 60 where the left hand crosses over the right and plays descending broken chords.
Can anyone tackle this and have any hints how to facilitate it. ?
PianissiMole
I love this piece; one of my first ever LPs! (Alfred Brendel). I found it very difficult to play well. I started learning it when I was in my teens, but never really cracked the section from bars 50-60 until I resumed the piano fairly recently. What I do is this:

Bar 51: I use opposite hands after the first chord, and remain that way until just before the end of the bar, changing back to LH/RH as written in time for the beginning of Bar 52. In Bar 52 I pick up the top d (17th note of the bar) with the RH thumb. This saves having to reposition the LH for that arpeggio.

Bar 53: same pattern as bar 51, changing back to LH/RH as written at the end of the bar, in time for the beginning of bar 54

Bar 55: same pattern as bar 51, but changing back to LH/RH as written in time to take the top C with the RH

Thats probably hopelessly naughty, but it works for me.

It's still a little ragged but it's nearly there smile.gif

Mole
chocolatedog
You mean bar 51 onwards? I play it exactly as written I'm afraid. I can't remember when I first learnt this piece but I suspect there was probably and awful lot of separate LH practice at this point - also make sure you sort out a good fingering and stick to it like glue.......... Also using different rhythms might help (once you're secure on notes and fingering). Also check how close you're sitting to the piano - you need to be sitting well back to get the freedom of arm movement in front of you to be able to cross over and play without it feeling over-awkward... At the very least, just the edge of your knees should just be under the edge of the keyboard. And make sure you're sitting well forward on the stool itself - occupying the front half not the back half! So you may find yourself pushing the stool much further back than you're used to. (If you're already doing all this, then just concentrate on the LH separately and the rhythm practice, but I've found over the years that a lot of pupils sit too far forward to be able to comfortably execute cross-over passages like this, and that some problems can be resolved by a simple readjustment of seating position, i.e. further back generally, but on the front half of the stool (to give the balance and the leaning freedom also needed...) Hope this helps. smile.gif
organ_dummy
I also play those bars as written.
fsharpminor
Thanks for replies. I must admit Im tempted to 'cheat' like Mole. Yes it is bar 51 et seq not 60 ( I was at the office with no score yesterday)
I do generally sit well back, in fact my keyboard is lower than most, and I can barely get my knees under the front edge anyway. It also helps a bit to shift your backside a bit to the right for this bit. But with the crossing over my left hand seems not to be at a comfortable angle, a bit on the skew rather than nearly right angles to the keyboard.
I'm not at home till tomorrow night - I'll have another go.
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