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SueHM
There's a word for this isn't there? Can anyone help me out.

Also, is there a term for a piece of music with a peculiar combination key signature eg Bb and F sharp?

Thanks clever peeps.
Czerny
QUOTE(SueHM @ Aug 23 2009, 05:27 PM) *

There's a word for this isn't there? Can anyone help me out.

Also, is there a term for a piece of music with a peculiar combination key signature eg Bb and F sharp?

Thanks clever peeps.

Bitonality (or polytonality). I think Stravinksy uses it sometimes. Also Milhaud?

Not sure about the odd key signature thing.
HenryJ
I agree that Bi-tonality is correct. The odd key signature would simply be called a non-standard key signature. Are you playing Bartok perhaps?
Czerny
QUOTE(HenryJ @ Aug 23 2009, 05:44 PM) *

I agree that Bi-tonality is correct. The odd key signature would simply be called a non-standard key signature. Are you playing Bartok perhaps?

I don't think it has to be hyphenated. 'Bi' is just a normal prefix, like 'un' or 're'. Although I could be wrong...
HenryJ
My mistake I think. blush.gif
Czerny
QUOTE(HenryJ @ Aug 23 2009, 06:02 PM) *

My mistake I think. blush.gif

Don't worry; show me that lissom inside leg you mention and I'll forgive you.
piano*cello*sax*boy
I agree, it would be bitonality, or polytonality if theres more than two, although I don't know who has done this.

I didn't know there was a word for certain combinations of keys though.
stetenorve
If in doubt, check with the AB Guide to Music Theory (Part 2)! Pages 244 and 245 refer to polytonality (of which bitonality is one version). An example is quoted from Bartok where 2 bracketed staves are shown, the upper with a Treble Clef and the key signature for E major and the lower with a Treble Clef and the key signature for A flat major.
Czerny
QUOTE(stetenorve @ Aug 23 2009, 10:04 PM) *

If in doubt, check with the AB Guide to Music Theory (Part 2)! Pages 244 and 245 refer to polytonality (of which bitonality is one version). An example is quoted from Bartok where 2 bracketed staves are shown, the upper with a Treble Clef and the key signature for E major and the lower with a Treble Clef and the key signature for A flat major.

Presumably it's not essential to have two different key signatures, if accidentals were used to the same effect? Or is that missing the point?
stetenorve
QUOTE(Czerny @ Aug 23 2009, 10:06 PM) *

QUOTE(stetenorve @ Aug 23 2009, 10:04 PM) *

If in doubt, check with the AB Guide to Music Theory (Part 2)! Pages 244 and 245 refer to polytonality (of which bitonality is one version). An example is quoted from Bartok where 2 bracketed staves are shown, the upper with a Treble Clef and the key signature for E major and the lower with a Treble Clef and the key signature for A flat major.

Presumably it's not essential to have two different key signatures, if accidentals were used to the same effect? Or is that missing the point?


Absolutely correct - it's just that the Bartok example quoted above makes it crystal clear that 2 keys are being used at the same time in the piece.
laura-clarinet
QUOTE(Czerny @ Aug 23 2009, 05:41 PM) *

QUOTE(SueHM @ Aug 23 2009, 05:27 PM) *

There's a word for this isn't there? Can anyone help me out.

Also, is there a term for a piece of music with a peculiar combination key signature eg Bb and F sharp?

Thanks clever peeps.

Bitonality (or polytonality). I think Stravinksy uses it sometimes. Also Milhaud?

Not sure about the odd key signature thing.


we learned it as polytonality smile.gif
kenm
The Holst "Terzetto" is in three different keys. See here
Czerny
QUOTE(laura-clarinet @ Aug 24 2009, 09:12 PM) *

QUOTE(Czerny @ Aug 23 2009, 05:41 PM) *

Bitonality (or polytonality). I think Stravinksy uses it sometimes. Also Milhaud?

we learned it as polytonality smile.gif

Yes that's correct, but 'poly' (many) is simply an extension of 'bi' (two); they're not two different concepts.
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