So you'd have been around in the days of Strouger/uniselectors and the like!
I remember playing with that stuff studying telecomms at college! I did some work in a place back in ~2000 that still had magneto coils and tag frames for its internal comms network, believe it or not!
Didn't they sell all that Strouger stuff off to India/Africa?
Maybe you should have picked "Erlang" as your username!
Absolutely correct - I was employed to design telecommunications computing equipment and was surrounded by uniselectors, two-motion selectors, motor uniselectors, crossbar switches, reed relays and ultimately digital switches - and had to interface my designs with all of them at some time or another Didn't they sell all that Strouger stuff off to India/Africa?
Maybe you should have picked "Erlang" as your username!
Yes, "Erlangs"
Ah, good old Agner Krarup Erlang!! I'm still having trouble getting people who use the software my company provides to understand that his formulae don't really work for today's multi-skilled call centre environments...Mosschops
They don't work for statistical multiplexing as used in packet switching networks either. But the thing that always gets me is when you go into a public toilet and find something like 6 urinals, two handbasins and one very weak hand dryer. Since you spend longer at the dryer than either of the other two, Erlangs formula would tell you that you need more driers not fewer! Correction read, understood, and noted.
In which case I think it is a crazy requirement, and was crazier in the past than it is now. Obviously done for the ease and benefit of the service provider, rather than in the best interests of the customer.
The requirement mixes up two things that should be separate:
1. Who is permitted to terminate the call. It should be either party. And instantly - not after a timeout.
If I want to commit some criminal act I just make sure to get my accomplice to phone the intended victim first. I then have three minutes to break in and overpower them while their line is tied up and they are unable to phone for help. [Or am I missing something here]. Well this WAS a possibility when we only had land lines. No doubt the 999 call would be made on a mobile now.
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2. Who pays for the call. Obviously it should be the initiator, irrespective of who terminates it.
It does seem a crazy requirement today, but if you go back to when the GPO were first putting in their automatic telephone system, for simplification of the metering they decided to charge per call, not by time. That much is for the benefit of the service provider. But by giving control of the call to the initiator they avoided putting themselves at risk from repeated complaints that the caller had paid for a call which had been prematurely terminated by the person not paying for the call. Mind you, how they expected the called person to actually listen and talk if they did not want to is another question In which case I think it is a crazy requirement, and was crazier in the past than it is now. Obviously done for the ease and benefit of the service provider, rather than in the best interests of the customer.
The requirement mixes up two things that should be separate:
1. Who is permitted to terminate the call. It should be either party. And instantly - not after a timeout.
If I want to commit some criminal act I just make sure to get my accomplice to phone the intended victim first. I then have three minutes to break in and overpower them while their line is tied up and they are unable to phone for help. [Or am I missing something here]. Well this WAS a possibility when we only had land lines. No doubt the 999 call would be made on a mobile now.
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2. Who pays for the call. Obviously it should be the initiator, irrespective of who terminates it.
With regard to your 1 - it is the case in many countries that either party can release, but in this country that is not consistent with past practice, and which rightly or wrongly BT have continued with. In any case, there would have to be a finite, albeit small timeout to guard against calls dropping out due to momentary line disconnections. These were naturally very common in the days of Strowger switches, relays, and open drop wires, but nowadays they are usually limited to those caused by BT Outreach poking about inside cabinets! You are right about your hypothetical criminal act (I know you wouldn't really commit one
Regarding your 2 - in this country it always has been the initiator of the call who pays for it, except in the specific case of a Reverse Charge Call. (Apart that is when you are called on your mobile phone and you are roaming onto someone else's network, and then the called party has to pay to get the call from his home network to the foreign one. I am sure you are aware of this, though.) The choice is whether or not you allow the person paying for it to decide when to end the call. For historic reasons as explained, the UK network has always given this to the initiator, subject to the guard timeout.
