I am so stuck with my music work, can some one tell me if I have finally got it right?

I have got:
Prime: C# E F D D# B Bb A G# F# C G (we were given this to work from)

I worked out:
Retrograde: G C F# G# A Bb D# D F E C#

Inversion (the bit that has so far taken 6 attempts): C# Bb A C B D# E F G# C# D# G# - This can't be right, as I have somehow ended up with two C#'s and 2 D#'s and 2 G#'S

Retrograde Inversion: G# D# C# G# F E D# B C A Bb C#

I'm really confused with the inversion bit, on the first attempt I got the 3rd note wrong, throwing the whole thing out by 2 semitones...

I tried it out and came up with C#, Bb, A, C, B, Eb, E, F, F#, G#, D and G for the inversion. I think you might have made a mistake after the F natural - the next note in the series should be a semitone up from this

I'm not completely sure I'm correct, but all 12 pitches are used

QUOTE (Subatomic_Star @ Jan 5 2005, 11:25 AM)

I am so stuck with my music work, can some one tell me if I have finally got it right?

Helen,

May I enquire if you're at school or university/music college?

I get same result as jstark.


R

QUOTE (Rhapsodin @ Jan 5 2005, 02:26 PM)

QUOTE (Subatomic_Star @ Jan 5 2005, 11:25 AM) I am so stuck with my music work, can some one tell me if I have finally got it right? Helen, May I enquire if you're at school or university/music college? I get same result as jstark. R

Rhapsodin: I'm at A level college. I would have asked my music teachers but I was doing it in my free lesson when they were teaching.

Both of you!: Thanks guys... I just tried it again and realised where I went wrong, it was after the F. I got it now. Oh well, you what they say, the 7th attempt is the charm. (Well, they don't, but you know...)

Subatomic_star - the best way I found of dealing with these things was to write out my note row, then the intervals between each row, and take it from there.

And if you want to hear serialism in action, try Webern's Concerto for Nine Instruments. The note row is played, inverted, played retrograde, retrograde inversion, transposed...

QUOTE (Subatomic_Star @ Jan 5 2005, 06:07 PM)

Rhapsodin: I'm at A level college. I would have asked my music teachers but I was doing it in my free lesson when they were teaching.

Ah!!! Thanks. I asked because...
Were you doing a detention? I mean....do they really make people do this 12-tone stuff? A punishment, surely?

You need 12 cards of any (mixed) suit(s) - ace to queen. Assign the ace to a starting note the rest successve semitones. Shuffle the cards then spread em out - the row will sound as good as any other. Let chance take the work out of it!

QUOTE (Rhapsodin @ Jan 6 2005, 12:09 PM)

Ah!!! Thanks. I asked because... Were you doing a detention? I mean....do they really make people do this 12-tone stuff? A punishment, surely?

Nope. No detention. I don't do detention in any way, shape or form. We had to do serialism because of that small matter of an exam at the end of the year.

QUOTE (Subatomic_Star @ Jan 6 2005, 01:27 PM)

Nope. No detention. I don't do detention in any way, shape or form. We had to do serialism because of that small matter of an exam at the end of the year.

Sorry, just that I can't believe people still teach this stuff - it got nowhere and never will except as an academic exercise...I suppose it's that.

A bit like a course in medicine and having to learn alchemy...

Are you actually forced to use all 12-tones?

Oh anyway, sorry, don't mean to distract you - you asked a question it's been answered and I'll just contain my curiosity...

QUOTE (Rhapsodin @ Jan 6 2005, 01:46 PM)

QUOTE (Subatomic_Star @ Jan 6 2005, 01:27 PM) Nope. No detention. I don't do detention in any way, shape or form. We had to do serialism because of that small matter of an exam at the end of the year. Sorry, just that I can't believe people still teach this stuff - it got nowhere and never will except as an academic exercise...I suppose it's that. A bit like a course in medicine and having to learn alchemy... Are you actually forced to use all 12-tones? Oh anyway, sorry, don't mean to distract you - you asked a question it's been answered and I'll just contain my curiosity...

Yeah I know... its not very often that I have seen a piece of serial music... But i'm sure people will have many opposing opinions!!

We have had to study it, seems very pointless!

QUOTE (Katet @ Jan 6 2005, 02:03 PM)

We have had to study it, seems very pointless!

Yes I know, like many other things. *cough*generalstudies *cough*

I cant wait to go to general studies next! *ahem* but even general studies isnt as pointless a key skills!!!

QUOTE (Katet @ Jan 6 2005, 02:12 PM)

I cant wait to go to general studies next! *ahem* but even general studies isnt as pointless a key skills!!!

Oooh yeah I know, in key skills this morning I went at 9 AM for the lesson, and I was let out at 9.15! She looked through my portfolio for the exam and then said "Yes thats all finished". Me: "Yes I told you that 3 weeks before Christmas".

Hehe, thats what my teachers say! But i am very proud to be the first person in my year to have to do both the ICT and communications coursework and both exams! Hehe, not really to do with the point in this topic is this...

QUOTE (Katet @ Jan 6 2005, 05:45 PM)

But i am very proud to be the first person in my year to have to do both the ICT and communications coursework and both exams!

Why?? I have enough work to do, without key skills, let alone an extra one by choice!!