I have trouble of remembering the terms. There must be a hundred of them. How you all remember them (G1 -G5) ? I do really need to remember all of them before my Grade 5 theory exam. And I will wish that I'm an Italian if I can't do it.

When you pick up a piece of music, test yourself, write down what you think they mean and check in a reference book, ie first steps in music theory, if not correct yourself by writing it out lots of times.

Hopefully if you also play an instrument by the time you are around that level you will have come across quite a lot of them in the course of learning to play. Dependes how much notice you take of stuff like that

I get my pupils to learn three a week, which they say to me without me giving any hints, so they just say "andante means at a walking pace".

Goodness sake! Why ask a question like that on a music forum? Sorry but I've read of gripes recently and this would be one of mine. How do you learn anything?

A

I think it's an ok question, I've picked up some good ideas from other peoples learning methods on these forums !

ok yes you do need to know them as any could come up in the exam but in mine i got easy ones like Allegro and Adagio!!!!so dont panic

QUOTE (ambi @ Jan 11 2005, 03:22 PM)

Goodness sake!   Why ask a question like that on a music forum?   Sorry but I've read of gripes recently and this would be one of mine.   How do you learn anything?       A

No, its a good question. When we "learn anything" there are ways and means of making it more manageable!!

Actually by grade 5 I had not come across all the terms that are needed for grade 5 theory (and there are of course German and French ones, too!) in the normal course of my pieces so there is a fair bit of learning to do.

Start with good habits and make sure that you know all the terms as you meet them in every piece that you play.

I had a habit of forgetting the ones that are not encountered that often so I had to resort to writing them out over and over again and learning about 10 new ones a week but making sure to reinforce the ones that I knew already.

Try to use Italian terms when you are discussing a piece of music and when your teacher does aural with you so that it becomes natural to say that, e.g, there was a rallentando at the end rather than "it slowed down gradually"!

Actually, some of us started a thread about 6 months ago where we, for fun, used Italian terms instead of the English word. Maybe someone can do a search!

I am sure that subito you will find that your learning does begin to accelerando and the whole process will not be so lento. Please forgive this little scherzo. It's just to help you to become a little less triste about the whole thing .

QUOTE (Silver pianist @ Jan 11 2005, 04:37 PM)

No, its a good question. When we "learn anything" there are ways and means of making it more manageable!!

If you say so. What's the answer?

Well, many of the Italian terms have words hidden in them that I find make them easier to memorise. For example, 'cantabile' has the French word 'chanter' in it, which means to sing, so if you speak French or have knowledge of Latin that would help! I must say I never had any trouble with learning the German terms . If you need help with those, let me know!
There wasn't a single question on terms in the Theory Paper I took in November, even though I'd learnt all the Italian ones ! I'd still learn them, though !
Good luck!

Start learning Latin.

Then you can converse with me, Regina Cheeblinia Minima, and Rex Rhapsodinius Maximus. (We're not married, before anyone comments. We have different kingdoms... Rhapsodinius rules over Woohooia, whereas I govern Perfecta Pitchia...)

QUOTE (Silver pianist @ Jan 11 2005, 04:37 PM)

I am sure that subito you will find that your learning does begin to accelerando and the whole process will not be so lento. Please forgive this little scherzo. It's just to help you to become a little less triste about the whole thing .

lol... that sounds like a great idea. You could come up with a whole new language with all the German, Italian and French terms all mixed up!! might get a bit confusing talking to people though...

QUOTE (ambi @ Jan 11 2005, 11:22 PM)

Goodness sake! Why ask a question like that on a music forum? Sorry but I've read of gripes recently and this would be one of mine. How do you learn anything? A

Sorry then. I'm dolores.

QUOTE (clarinetlover @ Jan 12 2005, 12:11 AM)

ok yes you do need to know them as any could come up in the exam but in mine i got easy ones like Allegro and Adagio!!!!so dont panic

Lucky you.

QUOTE (Student @ Jan 12 2005, 01:53 PM)

QUOTE (clarinetlover @ Jan 12 2005, 12:11 AM) ok yes you do need to know them as any could come up in the exam but in mine i got easy ones like Allegro and Adagio!!!!so dont panic Lucky you.

I got fp

so did I, helen! did you take the exam in november?

Well, they don't test every single term in the G5 test...

true but they make you learn loads of 'hard' words and you get asked terms u were supposed to know at grade1/2

QUOTE (july @ Jan 12 2005, 04:44 PM)

so did I, helen! did you take the exam in november?

Yep, what did you get?

QUOTE (davidyko @ Jan 12 2005, 08:52 PM)

Well, they don't test every single term in the G5 test...

Yes, but I was expecting about 1 or 2 that are in the grade 5 book!

I guess they don't want people to *just* learn the G5 terms...

QUOTE (Subatomic_Star @ Jan 13 2005, 12:18 AM)

QUOTE (Student @ Jan 12 2005, 01:53 PM) QUOTE (clarinetlover @ Jan 12 2005, 12:11 AM) ok yes you do need to know them as any could come up in the exam but in mine i got easy ones like Allegro and Adagio!!!!so dont panic Lucky you. I got fp

Lucky you too. That's so so easy.

exactly,dont worry you'll probably get Allegro or forte or something easy!

although in a pracitcepaper i did there was 'nicht zu schnell' now since i did german i knew the meaning of that word!thank god!

incase you wanna know, it means not too fast

QUOTE (clarinetlover @ Jan 13 2005, 04:13 PM)

exactly,dont worry you'll probably get Allegro or forte or something easy! although in a pracitcepaper i did there was 'nicht zu schnell' now since i did german i knew the meaning of that word!thank god! incase you wanna know, it means not too fast

Thanks. I'm so so nervous.

I just finished memorising my G5 Italian Terms.(Using all the advices.)Yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay. 1 Grade down and another 4 more to go.

QUOTE

Goodness sake! Why ask a question like that on a music forum? Sorry then. I'm dolores.

Ha ha. No I think it was a good question too. We all have things that we find easy and other things that are more of a challenge. It's always worth getting other people's ideas.

Keep at it con brio and don't let yourself become mesto.

Maggie

oh - I see your latest message just came in and it's better already - great!

QUOTE (maggiemay @ Jan 13 2005, 04:43 PM)

QUOTE Goodness sake! Why ask a question like that on a music forum? Sorry then. I'm dolores.   Ha ha. No I think it was a good question too. We all have things that we find easy and other things that are more of a challenge. It's always worth getting other people's ideas. Keep at it con brio and don't let yourself become mesto. Maggie oh - I see your latest message just came in and it's better already - great!

Thank.I'm not so dolente and lacrimoso anymore.

You all know what. All the Italian, German terms that is used is your post actually help me the remember to terms. Thanks thanks thanks thanks.BUT don't use too much though.

QUOTE (cheeble @ Jan 12 2005, 03:27 AM)

Start learning Latin. Then you can converse with me, Regina Cheeblinia Minima, and Rex Rhapsodinius Maximus. (We're not married, before anyone comments. We have different kingdoms... Rhapsodinius rules over Woohooia, whereas I govern Perfecta Pitchia...)

Why don't you learn Chinese ? Then you can converse with me and few others. USE CHINESE STAR though if you have learn Chinese.

Sie-sie-ni. Ni hao ma? Wo swe-si chungwen. Ni ai wo, ma? Ni ai yiben forumtubbies???

(Sorry, forgotten most of the romanised phonetics)

QUOTE (Rhapsodin @ Jan 13 2005, 05:36 PM)

Sie-sie-ni.  Ni swe-si chungwen ma?   Ni ai wo, ma?   Ni ai yiben forumtubbies???

USE CHINESE STAR.我不懂你说什么???????? I'm fine. I like most of the people in the forums but I don't do this 'Ni ai wo, ma? ' The forumtubbies are a fun lot.

QUOTE (Student @ Jan 13 2005, 09:41 AM)

QUOTE (Rhapsodin @ Jan 13 2005, 05:36 PM) Sie-sie-ni.  Ni swe-si chungwen ma?   Ni ai wo, ma?   Ni ai yiben forumtubbies???   USE CHINESE STAR.我不懂你说什么????????

I dont know what that is. After "Use Chinese Star" I get 7 little square box shapes - they probably come out different on your screen - here, it means its an unprintable character.
I suspsect my chinese is even worse than my latin. .. Can you do Krèyol?

QUOTE (Student @ Jan 13 2005, 09:09 AM)

You all know what. All the Italian, German terms that is used is  your  post actually help me the remember to terms. Thanks thanks thanks thanks.BUT don't use too much though.  :lol:  :D  :lol:  :D  :lol:  :D

Why don't we all give you 10 a week!

Please continue learning con spirito but remember to do it at a tempo comodo. Maybe a touch of allegro maestoso would not go amiss! (I could never remember maestoso!)

That's my three!

This is all getting a bit strepiteso (which does NOT mean taking your attire off slowly and s#d#ct#v#ly when the examiner asks...) so can we have some poco a poco macaroni please, not to mention risotto al fin...
and when you're proprio il pontincello, don't drop your pizzacato wrappers over.

QUOTE (Rhapsodin @ Jan 13 2005, 10:19 AM)

This is all getting a bit strepiteso (which does NOT mean taking your attire off slowly and s#d#ct#v#ly when the examiner asks...)

Perish the thought Rhapsodin.

strepitoso - I always thought it meant stroppy...

M

QUOTE (maggiemay @ Jan 13 2005, 12:04 PM)

strepitoso  -  I always thought it meant stroppy... M

Oh, really... ? I always thought it meant the way someone sings when they have a sore throat..

QUOTE (Silver pianist @ Jan 13 2005, 12:24 PM)

QUOTE (maggiemay @ Jan 13 2005, 12:04 PM) strepitoso  -  I always thought it meant stroppy... M Oh, really... ? I always thought it meant the way someone sings when they have a sore throat..

Ahhhh, yes, now I remember, that's it. Sorry about my earlier mistake. If forgiven I'll breath assai of reliefio.

So now I can morendo off out of it, with a touch of smorzando on me spaghetti polonaise.

I think that if someone plays their music conscientiously they'll learn most of the terms. If you don't know what a term means when you come to it, look it up and keep looking it up until you remember.
If, by grade 5, you still don't understand terms like accel, rall, poco a poco, un piu, p, pp, f, ff, mf, sf, sfz, sfp, stringendo, morendo, and a few others, my teacher would ask what you've been doing all the time, how are you able to play from printed music?

So, is it really a big problem or just learning a few extra?

V

QUOTE (Rhapsodin @ Jan 13 2005, 10:19 AM)

This is all getting a bit strepiteso (which does NOT mean taking your attire off slowly and s#d#ct#v#ly when the examiner asks...)

in that hope that they offer to give you a distinction as long as you stop, NOW PLEASE, presumably??

It can be a problem, seriously, Sarah.

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Rhapsodin

edit: on balance, mostly just I think....

Sorry... I hope that didn't offend. If so, please say and I'll edit the post out.

lol no I was kidding. slightly disturbed, but amused.... hence the

(phew, thank goodness - uh, between you and me, it wasn't actually true!)

QUOTE (Rhapsodin @ Jan 14 2005, 01:06 AM)

(phew, thank goodness - uh, between you and me, it wasn't actually true!)    :D

no, really? .....................................

(where's a really sarky smiley when you need one, eh?)

And erm. Now back to Italian, thankfully... lol. And prestissimo, if you please!

QUOTE (Silver pianist @ Jan 13 2005, 05:51 PM)

QUOTE (Student @ Jan 13 2005, 09:09 AM) You all know what. All the Italian, German terms that is used is  your  post actually help me the remember to terms. Thanks thanks thanks thanks.BUT don't use too much though.             Why don't we all give you 10 a week! Please continue learning con spirito but remember to do it at a tempo comodo. Maybe a touch of allegro maestoso would not go amiss! (I could never remember maestoso!) That's my three!

Arrggg... Brain malfunctioning...... too *gasp* much *gasps* terms. *Starting to recite the laws of panthagoras thereom ( I can't even spell properly now)

QUOTE (Rhapsodin @ Jan 13 2005, 05:45 PM)

QUOTE (Student @ Jan 13 2005, 09:41 AM) QUOTE (Rhapsodin @ Jan 13 2005, 05:36 PM) Sie-sie-ni.  Ni swe-si chungwen ma?   Ni ai wo, ma?   Ni ai yiben forumtubbies???   USE CHINESE STAR.我不懂你说什么???????? I dont know what that is. After "Use Chinese Star" I get 7 little square box shapes - they probably come out different on your screen - here, it means its an unprintable character. I suspsect my chinese is even worse than my latin. .. Can you do Krèyol?

I can't do Kreyol but I can do Bahasa Melayu. Apa khabar ? Saya di sini sihat-sihat sahaja.

ooh maestoso- got that in my exam!

I remember being very little and surrounded by musicians, and thinking that when someone said "maestoso" they were talking about their stoso, whatever that might have been!
I also thought that "pesante" meant "pleasantly" for years...