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nikk49
Hi,

I hope this is ok to ask on here?

I am looking to buy a secondhand hardwood recorder (treble) and wondered if I could please pick your brains? biggrin.gif
(I am playing a plastic Aulos recorder and also have a pearwood Mollenhauer but want to upgrade to a hardwood one.)

I have had two "interesting" purchases from Ebay and am not willing to try again on that route. blush.gif
I don't have a local SRP group otherwise would have asked there too.

Can anyone recommend a good Website / place to put a "Wanted" advert for one that would attract a genuine recorder player please?

Also I am uncertain between Boxwood and Rosewood.
I have played a Moeck Rottenburgh Rosewood and I really liked the sound of it but have no expereince of boxwood or any of the other hardwoods.

I live a reasonable distance from the well known recorder shops so trying out there would also be hard to arrange with family commitments.

Many thanks for your help with this...................................... biggrin.gif

gwyntdi-enw
Not sure if the rules allow mentioning specific places, but I'll have a go!

The SRP have a "for sale" section on their website.

Saunders (in Bristol) also sometimes have second hand recorders for sale on their website.

The Early Music Shop also have a large second hand listing.

I think most of these will arrange a "trial". I have to say I have never bought second hand from any of them but I too, when I knew a bit less than I do now, was caught out a few times on Ebay!

Good luck in finding what you want.

anacrusis
Okay - first off, your pearwood one is made of hardwood too: all wooden recorders are: softwoods are the coniferous ones, but fruitwoods, and those of deciduous trees, are hardwoods. You're right though that rosewood and box are harder than the pear: it's just a misconception that pear is soft smile.gif.

It really is impossible to advise without knowing what you're envisaging using the instrument for, in the main, and as you've already indicated, you need somehow to find your way through to being able to blow down more than one potential candidate in the one session, so that you can compare. I have two pearwood instruments, a 415Hz treble, and a knick bass - the treble is a gentler sounding instrument than my others, and not as capable of such big volumes, but it is very flexible in sound because of its voicing - the windway is very narrow indeed, and also very curvy. The bass I bought in a lineup of similar, after blowing my way through three cherrywood and two pearwood ones - and though cherry has a reputation for being a little harder than pear, and therefore capable of a more brilliant sound, the most consistently assertive instrument in the lineup had been the pearwood one I purchased.

My 440Hz treble is of box, as are my descant and tenor - the descant is a Moeck Rottenburgh, the treble a Moeck Denner and the tenor a Mollenhauer Denner. Box does happen to be my favourite wood for recorders, and of those three I'm especially fond of the treble - it's a bit of a bully, demanding to be played quite hard to get it up to pitch and a good tone out of it, but it has a lot of brightness to its sound, and character: it's also capable of a fair amount of warmth in sound.

When buying my voice flute - a treble in D, its builder says, I tried out two instruments to help decide - one in cherry and one in rosewood. The rosewood one was the first in that wood on which I've ever been able to make a nice noise - it was utterly heavenly to play, but produced a very soloistic sound, clear, bright, and just a teensy bit impersonal somehow. I was very tempted to opt for rosewood, but then the maker explained that that particular instrument had disappointed her rather when she'd first produced it - it was by this time over a decade old and had been played in by a superb player, and its character had taken a long time to evolve to that level. My worry was that I'd not be good enough to manage the same with a new instrument: I also tried out a cherrywood one, which was not as cleanly bright but still has a wonderful flexibility of sound - and opted for cherry in that case: the maker built one for me, and I love it to bits wub.gif.

So - EMS, or Mr Everingham at Saunders Recorders: either would probably let you try a couple or even three on approval, do play more than one, and decide based on what you want to sound like. Rosewood is more expensive than box, more assertive but has the downside that more people are allergic to it - so another good reason to do some testing out. Other woods very much worth looking at include olivewood - there are some gorgeous examples out there - plum, kingwood and ebony, but the two latter are very dense and surprisingly heavy to hold. Have fun, and good luck smile.gif.
nikk49
Hi,

Thank you to both Gwyntdi Enw and Anacrusis for your helpful replies.

I have decided to follow your advice and contact the suppliers mentioned.

I didn't realise pearwood was also a hardwood blush.gif I do like the recorder but it doesn't quite have the sound / assertiveness (if that is the right word!) that I am looking for.

I am working through the grades and am interested in solo work as well as playing in groups. Having previously played a woodwind instrument I have stumbled across the recorder quite by accident and didn't realise quite how addictive it could be!! biggrin.gif

I think now from your help I have narrowed it down to a couple of choices so will see if I can have a couple to try before deciding on my final choice.

Thank you again for your help. I have found everyone involved with recorders so far to be extremely helpful and friendly and it has opened more doors to play with other people and improve on my music skills.

I think that I may also try and buy a new recorder after looking at the prices of the ones mentioned.
I'm sure that there are many luck stories on buying secondhand from various sites but I'm not sure I am brave enough to risk it again!!

anacrusis
Mine have all been new too - it means you take the risk of the instrument changing a lot in the initial stages, but you also get to play it in, which I enjoy doing - it's amazing how not being allowed to play a new toy for that long makes you want to do just that wink.gif. The maker of my voice flute has just enquired after it, and reminded me that she services new instruments as part of supplying them - I've had it since last autumn.

Do let us know how you get on and happy hunting smile.gif.
andante_in_c
QUOTE(nikk49 @ Feb 22 2012, 10:18 AM) *



I think that I may also try and buy a new recorder after looking at the prices of the ones mentioned.
I'm sure that there are many luck stories on buying secondhand from various sites but I'm not sure I am brave enough to risk it again!!

There are some very reputable sellers on the SRP website, who I'm sure can supply references if required. wink.gif
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