QUOTE (clarinetlover @ Feb 18 2005, 05:13 PM)

i just typed 'trains to birmingham new street' into google!!! i mgiht try a proper company website!

Virgin trains Can be expensive though, you got a young persons railcard Nat?

Chiltern railways

National Rail

thanks, will check them out

i sitll need to sort trains to sheffield.....

anyway erm no i havent got a young persons thingymajig, i'll get my mum to pay!

It might be worth getting a young person's card.

but im an adult in *calculates* 10 days

You still count as a young person though. My sister uses one when she comes home from York, and it cuts her rail fare by £40 (and the card only costs £20).

(Oh, and my sister's 20)

i think from Manchester the choice of train is.. virgin or.... virgin.....

th eonly train to birmnigham form chester takes 10 hours and changes twice and leaves sat night

Oh my goodness, right I am going to look for trains to Birmingham from Chester now.

maybe im just doing it wrong......i hope

it onlytakes just over an hour to drive, surely it cant take 10 hrs on a train

Look at the email I sent you, I have found times which take 2 hours.

great!! but i dont have the email?!!

######, just realised they weren't the right times..

Have you got any other stations near you?

not main ones, no not really

Any small ones?

Hooton

Capenhurst

there might be big ones near me but i dont know of them! look on a map or sumthing!! lol

QUOTE (Cyrilla @ Feb 17 2005, 11:55 PM)

neil.clarinet - if you look on the BKA website it should tell you of upcoming courses.  Which part of the country are you in?  The Summer School is the best one to go on - expensive but great!

Done that

I am a bit dissapointed there are none in Scotland. Maybe the BKA could think about expanding their work to places like Scotland and Northern Ireland to make them more accessible to people like myself. I would definitely come, but I live too far away (it is also two weeks before my finals; stress!!!) I can already sight-sing to sol-fa, and do the hand signs (Australian Kodaly site), but their application to teaching is intriguing.

Will definitely think about the summer school though.

Neil - there are some in Scotland from time to time.

Lucinda Geoghegan, who is heavily involved with the National Youth Choir of Scotland (who all learn Kodaly from the youngest levels) certainly runs some courses. She is also developing a musicianship programme (with teachers' and children's books), teaching using the Kodaly principles. If you like I could give you her e-mail address (please PM me). She is one of the absolute top Kodaly teachers but of course is run off her feet with all she does. I believe she is also involved with setting up a similar course to the Guildhall's String Training Programme at the Junior Royal Scottish Academy.

The problem with running courses anywhere is that it has to be somewhere where we have people sufficiently highly trained and experienced to be able to teach them! I'm afraid at the moment I don't think we have anyone in Northern Ireland but I may be wrong - I will try to look into this for you.

I've been training some teachers on the Isle of Man and the Head of the Music Service there has been on the Summer School and is expanding his work into many of the island's primary schools.

Personally I am more than happy to go anywhere to run a course, but only if we can guarantee enough students to make it financially viable.

I'm glad you've learned the handsigns and can sing in solfa!! I think the Summer School is just the best thing to do initially. You just can't learn to teach in the Kodaly way from a book!

If you are ever down London way you are more than welcome to come and watch some classes, either at Guildhall or in schools. Just get in touch.

Maybe meet you in Leicester this summer?? If you would like a brochure just PM me and I will send you one.

All the best.

Nat - can' t you get to Crewe that's a big train statoin isn't it. I used to change trains there going to Liverpool from either Leicester or Birmingham ( I think but it was many moons ago ).
Cyrilla - you mention Leicester - I'm from there originally & my mum's still lives there. Do you do Kodaly courses/workshops there or something?

I think there is a summer school at Leicester uni, not sure though, but I am sure Cyrilla will send you a brochure, she is kind like that!

ive thought of Crewe but its just getting there.

QUOTE (nicki_flute @ Feb 19 2005, 01:41 PM)

I think there is a summer school at Leicester uni, not sure though, but I am sure Cyrilla will send you a brochure, she is kind like that!

There is indeed.

need to take out a motgage for that....

going back to the original topic. sounds good. however i lost intrest after the word "singing"

QUOTE (nicki_flute @ Feb 19 2005, 01:41 PM)

I am sure Cyrilla will send you a brochure, she is kind like that!

I am always kind, except when upset by Saxophonist...

QUOTE (Cyrilla @ Feb 19 2005, 11:33 PM)

QUOTE (nicki_flute @ Feb 19 2005, 01:41 PM) I am sure Cyrilla will send you a brochure, she is kind like that! I am always kind, except when upset by Saxophonist...

awww *hugs* Cyrilla!!

erm i looooooooooove singing-that make you feel better! and ive bought 3 aural books! i am trying!

QUOTE (clarinetlover @ Feb 19 2005, 11:34 PM)

[/QUOTE] I am always kind, except when upset by Saxophonist... [/QUOTE]

When did I upset you?!

you said

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lost intrest after the word "singing"

QUOTE (clarinetlover @ Feb 19 2005, 11:34 PM)

awww *hugs* Cyrilla!! erm i looooooooooove singing-that make you feel better! and ive bought 3 aural books! i am trying!

Aw, thanks, Nat *goes to bed feeling happier*

result!!

Nat if you're worried about how to get to Birmingham all you need to do is dial 01457 48 49 50 (train enquiries) and ask them. They'll tell you exact times, trains, cheap fares, everything.

Voila!

Violinia

QUOTE (clarinetlover @ Feb 19 2005, 11:37 PM)

you said QUOTE lost intrest after the word "singing"

so. i dont like singing

I am not an especially keen singer, but it isn't about singing, it is about developing your aural skills. And, why not have ago at singing, and have a laugh I am a hopeless singer but I would have gone, apart from personal circumstances interveened.

Sorry, guys, just had a little over-sensitive moment there...

It just makes me very sad when musicians see singing as divorced from playing an instrument, when it is actually the most natural musical instrument of them all and the one which all musicians should feel comfortable using.

Sadly we don't have a 'singing society' and generally people are taught (whether implicitly or with the 'you can't sing' type of comments) that singing is difficult/silly/sissy/unnecessary/not pleasurable..and it doesn't HAVE to be this way.

Sorry, just feeling sad and frustrated with the enormity of the task - if this is how musicians and music students feel about singing, then what hope is there??

Sorry AGAIN - clearly just having a bad day here...

Awww, Cyrilla, is there anything I can help you with?
*hugs*

QUOTE (Violinia @ Feb 20 2005, 12:40 AM)

Nat if you're worried about how to get to Birmingham all you need to do is dial 01457 48 49 50 (train enquiries) and ask them. They'll tell you exact times, trains, cheap fares, everything. Voila! Violinia

oooh ok thanks!

QUOTE (Cyrilla @ Feb 20 2005, 10:29 AM)

It just makes me very sad when musicians see singing as divorced from playing an instrument,

I dont. I just cant play it

QUOTE (Saxophonist @ Feb 20 2005, 11:23 AM)

I dont. I just cant play it

Well, maybe you should learn...

QUOTE (nicki_flute @ Feb 20 2005, 10:40 AM)

Awww, Cyrilla, is there anything I can help you with? *hugs*

Thanks, Nicki, the hugs have helped!!

I can hum! but lets just say singing is not my main instrument

Humming is good...

I'm that bad at singing I whistle in my aural tests

QUOTE (Saxophonist @ Feb 20 2005, 11:52 AM)

I'm that bad at singing I whistle in my aural tests

I ended up whistling in my grade 4 flute (the second time ) but this was through waking up with an awful cold and no voice... . But I still failed aural with 11.

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Thanks, Nicki, the hugs have helped!!

Good, good, if you want to talk, then just email me

Yes, what would happen if you had no voice in the exam. Do they make you whistle?

QUOTE (nicki_flute @ Feb 20 2005, 12:39 PM)

Yes, what would happen if you had no voice in the exam. Do they make you whistle?

Yes

I'd have to hum - I can't whistle. I wonder what they'd do if you couldn't sing or hum because of a cold, but weren't able to whistle. I guess you would HAVE to play them back?

which could be very difficult and would most probably fail unless you have perfect pitch

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Nat if you're worried about how to get to Birmingham all you need to do is dial 01457 48 49 50 (train enquiries) and ask them. They'll tell you exact times, trains, cheap fares, everything.

That does not make an extra train appear on the timetable unfortunately..
Plenty of trains from Manchester on other days but Sunday the first one gets to Birmingham around 10 past 11 (if it is on time).
I really am uncomfortable about taking part in Sunday events but was considering it if it was practical to get there.

Just have to wait for something similar in Manchester.

QUOTE (Saxophonist @ Feb 20 2005, 01:19 PM)

which could be very difficult and would most probably fail unless you have perfect pitch

I don't think it would be that hard with the simple tunes you have to sing back in the aurals. If you were being forced to use your instrument because your voice was not working, would they give you the key note (ie tell you what it was) I wonder? Although even if you played it correctly but transposed then I expect you would get credit for that even if you didn't start on the right note.

Sbhoa: yeah I'm waiting for either things to come closer or to have transport! though Sundays aren't great for me either.

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Plenty of trains from Manchester on other days but Sunday the first one gets to Birmingham around 10 past 11 (if it is on time).

Oh I see; sorry, I didn't read the thread properly - my mistake. OK, any chance Nat could stay overnight with anyone in Birmingham? Anyone (reputable and female!!) from here live in Birmingham and willing to put Nat up? Apolgies to Nat if she wouldn't consider this...

Violinia