QUOTE(Bella-drum @ Jun 18 2012, 06:20 PM)
Can some clever recorder / flute / clarinet / oboe person help me please?
My youngest daughter plays the sopranino recorder, which has the same fingering as the treble (both in F?).
The descant and tenor recorders also share the same fingering (I think).
But do some recorders have the same fingering as the flute? Or clarinet? Or oboe? Or are they all different?
My little girl wants to play the clarinet, but she's too small (only 8, and a small 8 at that). Someone told me today that it was a bad idea to let her play recorder as the fingering was different to other wind instruments and it would confuse her in the future.
It certainly confused me ~ and now I'm worried about it.
Hi Bella drum, I'm Bill, I specialize in Medieval, Renaissance, and Baroque woodwinds, and I have some great news for you and your daughter.
First let me say picking a Recorder as a first was a GREAT idea, in fact, you've no idea how great it is, but I'm going to tell you.
The Recorder (Recordarium: Latin, to remember), was the Big Renaissance woodwind instrument. Before it, all woodwind instruments were NINERS! They lacked the over-blow octave and could only play 9 or 10 notes. The Recorder had a full 2+ octaves and gave the performer greater musical expression. Henry VIII owned 76 Recorders at the time of his death.
Best of all, every recorder used the same fingering, so rather than learn a new fingering system to play the other instruments (F or C), you only needed to transpose the music into your fingering.
The Recorder is a transition woodwind, it links the past (the Niners), and the modern woodwind families and so, is the basic fingering for almost every modern woodwind there is today.
If you compare the fingering for the Recorder with any other instrument, like the clarinet, concert flute, sax, oboe, bassoon etc., you'll note the first octave of that woodwind has the same fingering (or nearly so), as the Recorder does. The differences will be in the upper octave and on the sharps and flats, and valve useage. This means that it will be rather easy to transition to the modern instruments when your daughter is ready. This is true of the Bb Clarinet, which is actually a C Clarinet that uses the Gemshorn's left hand pinky fingering to get the Bb below middle C. That valve is only used to go down to that note, just like the Gemshorn.
There are three instruments that used the Recorders exact fingering, and good news for you, the Renaissance Clarinet (the Chalumeaux),is one of them. The other is the Glastonbury Pipe, and the Keklhorn, which you'll notice has the same fingering holes as the recorder as well. These are both capped, double-reed instruments.
The Kelhorn is a real interesting BASS instrument. It is small compared to other bass instruments. They actually play the octave below their names. The Soprano a Tenor, the Alto is a Bass, the Tenor is a Great Bass, the Bass is a Contra Bass, and the Great Bass is a Sub-Contra Bass, two octaves below middle C. At the Susato.com web site they show you a cut open kelhorn so you can see the long twisty air channel that allows the fingering holes to be so close together and the instrument to be so short and yet play the lower registers. Added bonus, it has the same fingering as the Recorder, including the double holes on fingers 6 and 7!
Since your daughter can play the Recorder here's some old instruments that use the same or very similar fingering:
Cornamuse, Crumhorn, Gemshorn, Kelhorn, Curtall (Renaisance Basssoone, also called a Declan. It only has three valves vs. the modern instruments 36. Two valves are only used to get the low notes), Baroque Bassoon, Baroque Oboe, Chalumeaux (Renaissance Clarinet), Loriman Pipe, Medieval Pipe, Glastonbury Pipe, Reichfief, Shawm, Bombard, and Mezmer.
Except for the Oboe and Curtall, these are all Niner instruments, as such they are much easier to learn how to play since you only need to learn the fingering for half as many notes.
If you go to "susao.com" you can find lots of period Niner music that still sounds wonderful for next to nothing.
If you'd like to pick up a Chalumeaux for your daughter, go to "lazarsearlymusic.com", they sell a handmade-to-order "C" instrument for $167, that's the best price on the web. You'll also find many of the other instruments I mention above at those two sites.
Other instruments can be found manufactured in Britain at "earlymusicshop.com" or in Spain at "renwks.com". These are more pricy, but you're stuck with them. Hunt around on the web for bargains, they are out there you can pick up a Bombard for only $49 in a couple places, and a trio of Mezmers for the same price.
One closing note, you really should take up the Soprano recorder and learn to play with your daughter. The 30 minutes you two spend playing and learning each day will be the most wonderful time you two spend together. Once you learn the notes, you can really start to sound good. You'll both be very proud. When she's bigger she can statrt on the Alto recorder. You might want to get an Alto with valves on the F anad G keys. Even I like it better than the open fingering. Likewise if you go for a Tenor, you'll be happier with extra comfort valves on the 3rd and 4th finger.
I strongly suggest you go to amazon.com and buy these two books: THE BEGINNERS METHOD FOR SOPRANO AND ALTO RECORDER, Books I, and II, by Sonya & Gerald Burakoff. From the very first page you and your daughter will be playing duets!!! It is a wonderful series. They are only $6.95, and $7.95 a real bargain. She can play the Alto (F) parts and you the Soprano © parts.