Hi
Any body studying Grade 5 flute piece-Mozart, Allegro from Sonata in A.K12 ( Time Pieces for flute volume 3)?

In this edition the ornaments are written as appogiaturas but have come across pupils and teachers actually playing these as acciacaturas. There are no guidelines in this edtion as to the playing of ornaments and wondered what other people thought.

My instinct was to play them as appogiaturas ( semiquavers) -am I wrong?
Appreciate any thoughts on this!

Hi
Thanks for that- realised after I'd posted that I had missed out the letters-but thanks for pointing it out anyway!

I have a pupil playing this piece at the moment. I instructed her to play the ornamentation as semiquavers as that seemed to be indicated. However after hearing the ABRSM recording which plays them before the beat as sort of grace notes I consulted a professional flute player who I know, she said that they would sound better as fast grace notes before the beat as it is quite a fast piece- so this is now how we are playing these "extra" notes and I rather like it! hope that this helps. As Amadeus says ornamenattion is open to various interpretations.

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Thanks for that. So more like acciaccuturas really.

apologies should have put acciaccaturas! Dysfunctional typing after a busy day!!! Perhaps I should have called them "crushed notes" in the beginning!

My "consultant" did actually refer to the appoggiaturas as "crushed notes" and I hadn't heard this term before although I pretended that I had (!) Yes we are playing these extras before the beat as a sort of grace note.

QUOTE (JRBailey @ Feb 27 2005, 08:47 PM)

My "consultant" did actually refer to the appoggiaturas as "crushed notes" and I hadn't heard this term before although I pretended that I had (!) Yes we are playing these extras before the beat as a sort of grace note.

My understanding is that "acciaccatura" means crushed note. OTOH, "acciaccatura" is a later term, first getting into English in about 1875. CPE Bach calls both crushed notes and measured notes "appoggiaturas".

I couldn't find K12 in NMA, though Koechel has it (as a sonata in A for piano with violin or flute). Is it in NMA somewhere or did they have a good reason for leaving it out?

I don't know the difference - is this bad?

Thanks for the info re "crushed notes".
The piece in question is in Time Pieces Volume 3 for flute and piano. I shall have to check its origins as it could well be some sort of transcription. It does work very well as a flute duet which is how we rehearse it!