Hey,
Does anyone know the real name to one of Baermann's compositions? It's the semiquaver one which is number 38 in 50 Classical Studies. All the the book seems to have in it is numbers. I'm currently creating a piano accompniment to it and I need a name for it. Also, does it break copyright laws if I add the accompaniment and hand it in as my one work seeing as though I have altered the piece by adding the accompaniment?
Thanx
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H purple dolphin
I found this by doing a 'composer Baermann' Google search:
"German family of musicians, principally wind players. The most important members were Heinrich (1784-1847), a clarinettist known throughout Europe for his velvety tone and expressive playing, which inspired Weber's clarinet works, and his son Carl (1810-85), a clarinettist and basset-horn player who was a professor in Munich and the author of a valuable method (1864-75).©Groves Dictionaries, MacMillan Publishers Limited, UK"
Most likely the piece does not have its own, separate title. Composers writing studies rarely bother.
I don't know about copyright, so I will ask around and see if I can find out.
Are you intending to present your composition as an original composition for GCSE of 'A' level? If so, you will need to check with your teacher that arranging a piano accompaniment for an existing piece is acceptable.
I found this by doing a 'composer Baermann' Google search:
"German family of musicians, principally wind players. The most important members were Heinrich (1784-1847), a clarinettist known throughout Europe for his velvety tone and expressive playing, which inspired Weber's clarinet works, and his son Carl (1810-85), a clarinettist and basset-horn player who was a professor in Munich and the author of a valuable method (1864-75).©Groves Dictionaries, MacMillan Publishers Limited, UK"
Most likely the piece does not have its own, separate title. Composers writing studies rarely bother.
I don't know about copyright, so I will ask around and see if I can find out.
Are you intending to present your composition as an original composition for GCSE of 'A' level? If so, you will need to check with your teacher that arranging a piano accompaniment for an existing piece is acceptable.
Me again, purple dolphin
I dashed off my first reply in a hurry whilst the bath was running. I need to explain in more detail.
There are 3 things you need to consider:
1) Plagiarism
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This means using someone else's work and passing it off as your own. Examiners are dead against it. They will disqualify you when they discover it if you submit your composition for an exam.
So:
"Study in Bb, composed by Mad Clarinettist Purple Dolphin" would get you disqualified.
"Study in Bb by Minor 19th Century Composer Heinrich Baermann, with Superb Piano Accompaniment composed by Rising Star of the Decade and Mad Clarinettist, Purple Dolphin" would be accepted because you are attributing the original work by Baemann.
2) The syllabus
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This is the bit you need to check with your teacher. I suggest you do it soon, pd, so you avoid spending weeks working at something you end up not being able to submit.
If the syllabus demands an 'original composition' then you need to be sure that adding to an existing work counts as 'original'.
If the syllabus demands an arrangement, then you need to know that adding an original piano accompaniment to an existing work counts as an arrangement.
If in doubt, your teacher will contact the examiner for a ruling.
3) Copyright
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You are definitely not infringing the copyright of the composer or his descendents. I don't even know if early 19th century compsers had copyright. Any such has definitely expired nearly 200 years later!
There might be a copyright issue with copying the clarinet part from a volume of music that itself is subject to copyright laws. This is the bit I am going to check out for you, unless someone comes up with a definitive answer in the meantime. I will get back to you as soon as I can.
Steve
I dashed off my first reply in a hurry whilst the bath was running. I need to explain in more detail.
There are 3 things you need to consider:
1) Plagiarism
----------------
This means using someone else's work and passing it off as your own. Examiners are dead against it. They will disqualify you when they discover it if you submit your composition for an exam.
So:
"Study in Bb, composed by Mad Clarinettist Purple Dolphin" would get you disqualified.
"Study in Bb by Minor 19th Century Composer Heinrich Baermann, with Superb Piano Accompaniment composed by Rising Star of the Decade and Mad Clarinettist, Purple Dolphin" would be accepted because you are attributing the original work by Baemann.
2) The syllabus
-------------------
This is the bit you need to check with your teacher. I suggest you do it soon, pd, so you avoid spending weeks working at something you end up not being able to submit.
If the syllabus demands an 'original composition' then you need to be sure that adding to an existing work counts as 'original'.
If the syllabus demands an arrangement, then you need to know that adding an original piano accompaniment to an existing work counts as an arrangement.
If in doubt, your teacher will contact the examiner for a ruling.
3) Copyright
----------------
You are definitely not infringing the copyright of the composer or his descendents. I don't even know if early 19th century compsers had copyright. Any such has definitely expired nearly 200 years later!
There might be a copyright issue with copying the clarinet part from a volume of music that itself is subject to copyright laws. This is the bit I am going to check out for you, unless someone comes up with a definitive answer in the meantime. I will get back to you as soon as I can.
Steve
And me yet again, purple dolphin
Got the copyright answer for you through the Incorporated Society of Musicians legal department. You definitely do not have copyright problems. The ISM confirmed this. They also directed me to the faq section of a copyright website (www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/copyright_questions if you want a look). I copied these for you.
How long will copyright last?
This will depend on the work and nationality, but typically the copyright of a work will normally run for either, 70 years from the death of the author, or if published 70 years from the date of first publication.
What happens when a copyright expires?
The work will fall into the public domain, making it available to anyone wishing to use, copy or reproduce the work. This is how so many companies can publish works by William Shakespeare, classical composers etc.
oops. Hope I haven't infringed copyright by copying this.
Don' tell anyone.
Good luck with the composition.
Steve
Got the copyright answer for you through the Incorporated Society of Musicians legal department. You definitely do not have copyright problems.
The ISM confirmed this. They also directed me to the faq section of a copyright website (www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/copyright_questions if you want a look). I copied these for you.How long will copyright last?
This will depend on the work and nationality, but typically the copyright of a work will normally run for either, 70 years from the death of the author, or if published 70 years from the date of first publication.
What happens when a copyright expires?
The work will fall into the public domain, making it available to anyone wishing to use, copy or reproduce the work. This is how so many companies can publish works by William Shakespeare, classical composers etc.
oops. Hope I haven't infringed copyright by copying this.
Don' tell anyone. Good luck with the composition.
Steve
| QUOTE (SteveHopwood @ May 18 2005, 11:43 AM) |
| And me yet again, purple dolphin Got the copyright answer for you through the Incorporated Society of Musicians legal department. You definitely do not have copyright problems. The ISM confirmed this. They also directed me to the faq section of a copyright website (www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/copyright_questions if you want a look). I copied these for you.How long will copyright last? This will depend on the work and nationality, but typically the copyright of a work will normally run for either, 70 years from the death of the author, or if published 70 years from the date of first publication. What happens when a copyright expires? The work will fall into the public domain, making it available to anyone wishing to use, copy or reproduce the work. This is how so many companies can publish works by William Shakespeare, classical composers etc. oops. Hope I haven't infringed copyright by copying this. Don' tell anyone. Good luck with the composition. Steve |
You have just reminded me of my Structure of the UK Music Industry class on copyright, and numerous lectures about academic plagarism, which is indeed a very serious offence. Well worth checking.
If that post was plagarism, it can't get much worse than this thread. (remember it well!)
http://forums.abrsm.org/index.php?act=ST&f...&hl=advertising
Good luck purple dolphin.
Thankyou so much for all of your help!
I wasn't planning on using the work for my GCSE as I could quite easily get far better grades by composing my own piece. I checked it with my teacher and they said I would probably only get a C for it if I gave it in a coursework, whereas I have produced compositions in the past capable of being submitted for A level and getting a B or C.
If P.M's were working I would send you a copy (I finished it last night), but as they aren't and as I havn't worked out how to put scanned sheets into my posts, I can't.
Once again, thankyou for your help, my teacher (clarinet, not "music") didn't have a clue!
I wasn't planning on using the work for my GCSE as I could quite easily get far better grades by composing my own piece. I checked it with my teacher and they said I would probably only get a C for it if I gave it in a coursework, whereas I have produced compositions in the past capable of being submitted for A level and getting a B or C.
If P.M's were working I would send you a copy (I finished it last night), but as they aren't and as I havn't worked out how to put scanned sheets into my posts, I can't.
Once again, thankyou for your help, my teacher (clarinet, not "music") didn't have a clue!
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Best advice - get an account at www.photobucket.com and upload your scans, then provide links from here (that way you won't use up any bandwidth and won't have to worry aboutthe scans looking huge in the post either)
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