Full Version: How To Cope With Exam Failing
HI, HAS ANYONE EVER FAILED TWO EXAMS AND NEARLY GIVEN UP HOPE OF EVER PASSING.
Not everyone is good at taking exams.
Just because you don't pass it doesn't mean that you are bad at playing.
Do you enjoy playing ?
If you do then forget exams for a while and just play for fun.
Is it you or your teacher who has pushed for exam entry?
You don't mention your age.
If you are over 21 you could consider performance assessment as an alternative to exams. You get good feedback on your playing without worrying about passing or failing. (I can recommend it from personal experience... having done that I may now try exam)
Just because you don't pass it doesn't mean that you are bad at playing.
Do you enjoy playing ?
If you do then forget exams for a while and just play for fun.
Is it you or your teacher who has pushed for exam entry?
You don't mention your age.
If you are over 21 you could consider performance assessment as an alternative to exams. You get good feedback on your playing without worrying about passing or failing. (I can recommend it from personal experience... having done that I may now try exam)
no, im sorry, i haven't but i have some advice..
try playing outside of exams for a while - maybe a year?, just 2 get ure zest 4 the instrument back
then once u lurve it u can try again.
Exams dnt make u better remember, they are just a record of ure progress.
Do them when u r better than the grade to be sure!
Gud luck next time!
try playing outside of exams for a while - maybe a year?, just 2 get ure zest 4 the instrument back
then once u lurve it u can try again.
Exams dnt make u better remember, they are just a record of ure progress.
Do them when u r better than the grade to be sure!
Gud luck next time!
Perhaps try entering for an earlier grade (if you're not already doing grade 1) that should make it easier for you to pass and get your confidence back, it doesn't matter if you've already passed it. The other thing I would say is take more time to prepare: if you prepare to just pass you may pass or fail; if you prepare to get a distinction you're very unlikely to fail so will probably at least pass.
Good luck
Good luck
I failed a grade 8 piano exam in the C period 2002, after which i spent a year just playing whatever pieces I wanted and now i'm taking it again in the summer.
It's the best way to deal with it- leave the grade stuff for a long time and just play pieces you know you like, and can play. This helped me assure myself I wasn't a complete failure- i just had a bad day on the day of the exam
It's the best way to deal with it- leave the grade stuff for a long time and just play pieces you know you like, and can play. This helped me assure myself I wasn't a complete failure- i just had a bad day on the day of the exam
I managed to fail my grade 6 exam... resit a month later with LESS practise and get my first MERIT ever...
But I'm soooo awful in performing... I shake like crazy... and arghh scary!!
But I'm soooo awful in performing... I shake like crazy... and arghh scary!!
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| I managed to fail my grade 6 exam... resit a month later with LESS practise and get my first MERIT ever... |
How can this be possible? Surely you'd have to enter in the next exam session which would be at least three months later... Don't forget: even if you did do less practice between the two exams you'd still already done all of the practice that you did before the first one!
Hi, I failed my Grade 5 piano aged 13 (got 95) then did Grade 6 the following year and failed that too (got 89)! I didn't take any more exams for two years, then resit Grade 5 and got 131 - so it can be done. I think it has really helped me as it makes you realise that exams aren't everything. You can be a Grade 5 standard player but on the day things just don't go quite right.
Don't be too disheartened - reflect, and decide if you really want to do exams or play for fun and progress that way. Just don't give up!
Good luck
Don't be too disheartened - reflect, and decide if you really want to do exams or play for fun and progress that way. Just don't give up!
Good luck
I'm not sure... I had an exam in August-September... and then redid one in October...
After I failed I didnt bother practising heaps, I didnt even touch the practise piano in the waiting room on my second go!
After I failed I didnt bother practising heaps, I didnt even touch the practise piano in the waiting room on my second go!
Something that everyone must remember when taking exams: when you do the exam you will be nervous; your pieces must be prepared to a far higher standard than just you being able to play them when no one is listening: it's a completely different thing.
As soon as you can play them to yourself with no one listening they are not ready: it may be months before they are actually secure enough to play them in the exam. Some people get more nervous than others and hence must have their pieces even more secure and confident; actually knowing that your pieces are secure will help you to feel less nervous so there's twice the benefit. If an exam is failed 'due to nerves' that's not because you were nervous it's because you weren't prepared well enough for the exam given that you knew that you would be nervous.
Remember: the examiners can only mark what they see on the day, they try to take it into account but they need to see evidence that you have prepared to a higher standard than you are playing at. For example, if you stop in the middle of a piece and then start again from the same place but the interpretation was excellent and everything else was good (i.e. that was clearly a 'today' thing you obviously don't stop there all the time or you would have fixed it given how good they can tell that you are from the rest of the piece) you can still get 27 for a piece (I've seen it done, and that was at grade 8). The main advice: if you suffer decreased performance through nerves don't aim to pass aim to get a high distinction, even if it means doing an easier grade, that way you'll be more confident that you can to it and if you're that well prepared you've got no chance of failing no matter how much you think you mess it up and how nervous you are.
As soon as you can play them to yourself with no one listening they are not ready: it may be months before they are actually secure enough to play them in the exam. Some people get more nervous than others and hence must have their pieces even more secure and confident; actually knowing that your pieces are secure will help you to feel less nervous so there's twice the benefit. If an exam is failed 'due to nerves' that's not because you were nervous it's because you weren't prepared well enough for the exam given that you knew that you would be nervous.
Remember: the examiners can only mark what they see on the day, they try to take it into account but they need to see evidence that you have prepared to a higher standard than you are playing at. For example, if you stop in the middle of a piece and then start again from the same place but the interpretation was excellent and everything else was good (i.e. that was clearly a 'today' thing you obviously don't stop there all the time or you would have fixed it given how good they can tell that you are from the rest of the piece) you can still get 27 for a piece (I've seen it done, and that was at grade 8). The main advice: if you suffer decreased performance through nerves don't aim to pass aim to get a high distinction, even if it means doing an easier grade, that way you'll be more confident that you can to it and if you're that well prepared you've got no chance of failing no matter how much you think you mess it up and how nervous you are.
| QUOTE (AnotherPianist @ Apr 22 2004, 12:15 PM) |
| Something that everyone must remember when taking exams: when you do the exam you will be nervous; your pieces must be prepared to a far higher standard than just you being able to play them when no one is listening: it's a completely different thing. As soon as you can play them to yourself with no one listening they are not ready: it may be months before they are actually secure enough to play them in the exam. Some people get more nervous than others and hence must have their pieces even more secure and confident; actually knowing that your pieces are secure will help you to feel less nervous so there's twice the benefit. If an exam is failed 'due to nerves' that's not because you were nervous it's because you weren't prepared well enough for the exam given that you knew that you would be nervous. Remember: the examiners can only mark what they see on the day, they try to take it into account but they need to see evidence that you have prepared to a higher standard than you are playing at. For example, if you stop in the middle of a piece and then start again from the same place but the interpretation was excellent and everything else was good (i.e. that was clearly a 'today' thing you obviously don't stop there all the time or you would have fixed it given how good they can tell that you are from the rest of the piece) you can still get 27 for a piece (I've seen it done, and that was at grade 8). The main advice: if you suffer decreased performance through nerves don't aim to pass aim to get a high distinction, even if it means doing an easier grade, that way you'll be more confident that you can to it and if you're that well prepared you've got no chance of failing no matter how much you think you mess it up and how nervous you are. |
ANOTHER PIANIST
I JUST WANTED TO SAY I WAS VERY PREPARED FOR MY EXAM, AND HAD WORKED REALLY HARD FOR IT. IN NO WAY DID I FEEL UNPREPARED WITH MY PIECES, AND SCALES. SIGHT READING IS MY WEAKEST POINT WHICH I ACCEPT. FOR YOU TO SAY NO ONE CAN FAIL AN EXAM THROUGH NERVES IF THERE PIECES ARE READY IS TOTALLY RUBBISH. I HAVE A REAL FEAR OF EXAMS AND AS SOON AS I WALK INTO THE EXAM ROOM I GO TO BITS. MY HANDS ARE SHAKING SO MUCH I JUST CANNOT PLAY HOW I NORMALLY DO, ALSO MY BREATHING GOES HAYWIRE, AND MY MIND GOES BLANK. WITH EACH EXAM MY FEAR GETS WORSE. IT ALL STARTED WITH ONE BAD EXPERINCE AT GRADE 3 AND PEAKED AT GRADE 6. I GOT FROM GRADE 1 TO 5 IN 6 MONTHS HAVING NEVER PLAYED THE PIANO BEFORE AND I REALLY ENJOY IT AND WANT TO DO THE EXAMS BUT DO NOT KNOW HOW TO OVER COME THESE FEARS AND SELF DOUBTS.
Dear Bid
I can emphathise a little with how you feel because I used to be a nervous wreck in performance. No matter how prepared I was my playing fell apart. I used to feel I played the pieces almost as if I was sightreading them. All the subtlety, shape and colour that I could project at home went out of the window. With me I would start well for about 10 seconds then my right foot would begin to shake and then my hands. I really seemed unable to control it. Thats the bad bit over. I have really got so much better!!! A number of things have helped I think.
Make some contact with the examiner. I found that if I told them I was nervous I felt a little better. Somehow making them human helps.
In preparation visualise the situation. Walk into your practice room and sit at the piano as if it were the exam. I know this sounds silly but it works. With my pupils I always do a number of dummy runs. This involves them being called into the room - I sit at a table looking stern - and ask them to play as if in the exam. I don't speak to them except to ask them to play scales etc etc exactly as if it were an exam. Most of them really begin to feel nervous and that is what I want. Because once they feel the nerves they can get used to the feeling and they are a little nearer controlling them.
Tape yourself playing. Put the tape on and then say something like I am now going to play .... and then tape yourself. This always makes me feel on show and nervous - again giving me a chance to learn control.
Throw yourself into the music. Especially at the higher grades there is so much you want to communicate. Feel the music, think about the emotions you want to express. Try and feel you are being self-centered to worry about yourself concentrate hard only on the music. Try singing the melody line etc anything to distract yourself from the nerves.
Don't rush from one piece to another. Take a few breaths and start to think of the music.
A sentence which helped me is FEEL THE FEAR AND DO IT ANYWAY. You will feel nervous so expect it. When my hands start shaking I can now stop them by focusing back on my music. Also if you play well the music will still come across.
Play lots and lots and lots in front of other people. You will gradually get to grips with your nerves.
Remember music should give pleasure - to you and the listener.
I do hope this helps. Try the taping and let me know what happens. Good luck, Margaret
I can emphathise a little with how you feel because I used to be a nervous wreck in performance. No matter how prepared I was my playing fell apart. I used to feel I played the pieces almost as if I was sightreading them. All the subtlety, shape and colour that I could project at home went out of the window. With me I would start well for about 10 seconds then my right foot would begin to shake and then my hands. I really seemed unable to control it. Thats the bad bit over. I have really got so much better!!! A number of things have helped I think.
Make some contact with the examiner. I found that if I told them I was nervous I felt a little better. Somehow making them human helps.
In preparation visualise the situation. Walk into your practice room and sit at the piano as if it were the exam. I know this sounds silly but it works. With my pupils I always do a number of dummy runs. This involves them being called into the room - I sit at a table looking stern - and ask them to play as if in the exam. I don't speak to them except to ask them to play scales etc etc exactly as if it were an exam. Most of them really begin to feel nervous and that is what I want. Because once they feel the nerves they can get used to the feeling and they are a little nearer controlling them.
Tape yourself playing. Put the tape on and then say something like I am now going to play .... and then tape yourself. This always makes me feel on show and nervous - again giving me a chance to learn control.
Throw yourself into the music. Especially at the higher grades there is so much you want to communicate. Feel the music, think about the emotions you want to express. Try and feel you are being self-centered to worry about yourself concentrate hard only on the music. Try singing the melody line etc anything to distract yourself from the nerves.
Don't rush from one piece to another. Take a few breaths and start to think of the music.
A sentence which helped me is FEEL THE FEAR AND DO IT ANYWAY. You will feel nervous so expect it. When my hands start shaking I can now stop them by focusing back on my music. Also if you play well the music will still come across.
Play lots and lots and lots in front of other people. You will gradually get to grips with your nerves.
Remember music should give pleasure - to you and the listener.
I do hope this helps. Try the taping and let me know what happens. Good luck, Margaret
I must apologise if you felt offended by my comments: I didn't mean to upset you. I am very sorry to hear about your bad experience but am pleased that you have not been put off and have the perseverence to continue .
Do you have a teacher that has entered you for these exams? If not, that may help you as you would have to play in front of someone every week which would add to your experience of pressure; if you do already have a teacher, how do you cope with the nerves of playing in front of them?
You need to gain experience of pressurised situations; this is the only way to overcome your nerves: perhaps to convince yourself that you can do it, as Margaret suggests, you could ask your teacher to do a mock exam: they behave like the examiner would and write comments. Even better, get them to ask a musical friend/other music teacher to do it so you even get a stranger to play for (a non-musical friend would even do so long as you thought they knew about music until the mock exam was over! Perhaps even a friend of yours or member of your family would do, anyone so long as they make you feel nervous). The mock exams may help to find any specific weakness that may crop up under stress but otherwise would not arise. Make sure if you do this, however, it is reasonable length of time before the exam so that you have time to correct things: maybe even do two or three mock exams.
Remember the definition of ready I am using is a clear distinction (I also emphasise that the preparation must be across all sections); someone who is prepared to only just pass is likely to fail if they become nervous. I do still believe that if one can play to a standard that would consistently achieve 140/150 with no nerves involved; then in the exam there will be sufficient evidence that one can play better than the 100/150 mark required in the exam to pass, no matter how many times one stops, fluffs or otherwise: of course one may get far fewer marks than one deserves: perhaps even drop to 120 or less; but remembering that the examiner is on your side and taking is nerves into account you could not possibly loose all 40 marks. I know someone who did grade 8, fluffed a scale (the examiner just asked for another one from the same group which was played perfectly) and stopped in the middle of one of his pieces (the person, as mentioned above, got 28 for the piece) and still got 138 overall for the exam: an extremely impressive (and of course well-deserved) mark because he was otherwise excellent: he could have done a lot more fluffing and still passed. If your pieces do fail the exam then there is more preparation needed: even if that preparation is playing them in front of everyone you can possibly get to listen rather than technical work. A few things that may give you confidence: play them with your eyes shut; play difficult sections backwards; start the piece from every even bar, then from every odd bar; get people to listen to you again and again (until they're really sick of you
); record yourself (as Margaret suggests).
What sort of comments did you get from the examiner? You can tell what they've just put down to nerves from those and what they consider to be inadequate preperation: if you see the word 'today' or something similar in the comment that means that they acknowledge that the problem was nerves and will be not taking as many marks off as they would have otherwise done; if there's nothing in a comment indicating that then those are the things that you need to work on as the examiners consider those to be actual problems not nerves.
From the two comments above (and I really don't mean for this to be offensive to you) you're either the best pianist in the world ever and have prepared grade 5 pieces (along with at least 3 grade 3 pieces too) in 6 months of starting the piano to distinction standard with no prior piano experience (which even the likes of Alfred Brendel did not manage from starting the piano) or your preparation was not to as high a standard as you believed: of course, not having heard you play I shall have to let you judge which of the two is the case; remember, most people on average take 6 years to reach grade 5 (and the average mark is somewhere in the high pass category).
This happens to everyone, you are not alone: before my piano exams I have been sick and my hands also shake, foot shaking on the pedal etc.... No one plays as well in the exam as they can: even concert pianists usually play two or three wrong notes in each concert. One must be playing below one's maximum ability in an exam to stand even a chance of doing as well as one can in an unpressurised situation. I think that your problem may be that if you are doing grade 5 within 6 months of playing the piano you simply do not have enough experience to play the pieces of that standard under pressure. When I started the piano I could play pieces of grade 6 standard however I would not, in a million years, have considered entering for a grade 6 exam, my nerves just wouldn't hold as they would not be secure enough and to a high enough standard and security to play under pressure with so little experience. Ask your teacher what mark they expect you to get and refuse to enter until it's way above the pass mark
.
I think the two most valuable pieces of advice I could give to you are:
1) start with the earlier grades and work up gaining as much public performance experience as you can: playing under pressure is a completely different thing to playing not under pressure as you have found; you need to practice this as well as generally improving your playing. Would you be as nervous if you had to do a grade 1 exam now as you would to do grade 7 or whatever your next exam would be?
2) Really practice your sightreading if it is weak: do not just resign yourself to it being bad, it makes nerves ten times worse in the exam dreading one section. Paul Harris has written some good books entitled "Improve Your Sightreading" which are graded you could pick up from at the standard you're currently confident with sightreading and work through up to the standard of the grade you are at. The sightreading problem has probably arisen due to your fast pace: it's not something that one can immediately do; it just takes time, I for one certainly wish it didn't
.
A good source of information about exam nerves is "These Music Exams" I read it before every exam I do: it explains the marking, a view from the examiners side of the desk and has tips on coping with nerves.
Once again I must point out that I'm not trying to offend you by making these suggestions; merely trying to offer some tips on how to overcome your fears. Good luck with your future exams and I hope that your nerves improve.
.Do you have a teacher that has entered you for these exams? If not, that may help you as you would have to play in front of someone every week which would add to your experience of pressure; if you do already have a teacher, how do you cope with the nerves of playing in front of them?
You need to gain experience of pressurised situations; this is the only way to overcome your nerves: perhaps to convince yourself that you can do it, as Margaret suggests, you could ask your teacher to do a mock exam: they behave like the examiner would and write comments. Even better, get them to ask a musical friend/other music teacher to do it so you even get a stranger to play for (a non-musical friend would even do so long as you thought they knew about music until the mock exam was over! Perhaps even a friend of yours or member of your family would do, anyone so long as they make you feel nervous). The mock exams may help to find any specific weakness that may crop up under stress but otherwise would not arise. Make sure if you do this, however, it is reasonable length of time before the exam so that you have time to correct things: maybe even do two or three mock exams.
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| FOR YOU TO SAY NO ONE CAN FAIL AN EXAM THROUGH NERVES IF THERE PIECES ARE READY IS TOTALLY RUBBISH. |
Remember the definition of ready I am using is a clear distinction (I also emphasise that the preparation must be across all sections); someone who is prepared to only just pass is likely to fail if they become nervous. I do still believe that if one can play to a standard that would consistently achieve 140/150 with no nerves involved; then in the exam there will be sufficient evidence that one can play better than the 100/150 mark required in the exam to pass, no matter how many times one stops, fluffs or otherwise: of course one may get far fewer marks than one deserves: perhaps even drop to 120 or less; but remembering that the examiner is on your side and taking is nerves into account you could not possibly loose all 40 marks. I know someone who did grade 8, fluffed a scale (the examiner just asked for another one from the same group which was played perfectly) and stopped in the middle of one of his pieces (the person, as mentioned above, got 28 for the piece) and still got 138 overall for the exam: an extremely impressive (and of course well-deserved) mark because he was otherwise excellent: he could have done a lot more fluffing and still passed. If your pieces do fail the exam then there is more preparation needed: even if that preparation is playing them in front of everyone you can possibly get to listen rather than technical work. A few things that may give you confidence: play them with your eyes shut; play difficult sections backwards; start the piece from every even bar, then from every odd bar; get people to listen to you again and again (until they're really sick of you
); record yourself (as Margaret suggests). What sort of comments did you get from the examiner? You can tell what they've just put down to nerves from those and what they consider to be inadequate preperation: if you see the word 'today' or something similar in the comment that means that they acknowledge that the problem was nerves and will be not taking as many marks off as they would have otherwise done; if there's nothing in a comment indicating that then those are the things that you need to work on as the examiners consider those to be actual problems not nerves.
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| I JUST WANTED TO SAY I WAS VERY PREPARED FOR MY EXAM, AND HAD WORKED REALLY HARD FOR IT. IN NO WAY DID I FEEL UNPREPARED WITH MY PIECES, AND SCALES......I GOT FROM GRADE 1 TO 5 IN 6 MONTHS HAVING NEVER PLAYED THE PIANO BEFORE |
From the two comments above (and I really don't mean for this to be offensive to you) you're either the best pianist in the world ever and have prepared grade 5 pieces (along with at least 3 grade 3 pieces too) in 6 months of starting the piano to distinction standard with no prior piano experience (which even the likes of Alfred Brendel did not manage from starting the piano) or your preparation was not to as high a standard as you believed: of course, not having heard you play I shall have to let you judge which of the two is the case; remember, most people on average take 6 years to reach grade 5 (and the average mark is somewhere in the high pass category).
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| I HAVE A REAL FEAR OF EXAMS AND AS SOON AS I WALK INTO THE EXAM ROOM I GO TO BITS. MY HANDS ARE SHAKING SO MUCH I JUST CANNOT PLAY HOW I NORMALLY DO, ALSO MY BREATHING GOES HAYWIRE, AND MY MIND GOES BLANK. |
This happens to everyone, you are not alone: before my piano exams I have been sick and my hands also shake, foot shaking on the pedal etc.... No one plays as well in the exam as they can: even concert pianists usually play two or three wrong notes in each concert. One must be playing below one's maximum ability in an exam to stand even a chance of doing as well as one can in an unpressurised situation. I think that your problem may be that if you are doing grade 5 within 6 months of playing the piano you simply do not have enough experience to play the pieces of that standard under pressure. When I started the piano I could play pieces of grade 6 standard however I would not, in a million years, have considered entering for a grade 6 exam, my nerves just wouldn't hold as they would not be secure enough and to a high enough standard and security to play under pressure with so little experience. Ask your teacher what mark they expect you to get and refuse to enter until it's way above the pass mark
.I think the two most valuable pieces of advice I could give to you are:
1) start with the earlier grades and work up gaining as much public performance experience as you can: playing under pressure is a completely different thing to playing not under pressure as you have found; you need to practice this as well as generally improving your playing. Would you be as nervous if you had to do a grade 1 exam now as you would to do grade 7 or whatever your next exam would be?
2) Really practice your sightreading if it is weak: do not just resign yourself to it being bad, it makes nerves ten times worse in the exam dreading one section. Paul Harris has written some good books entitled "Improve Your Sightreading" which are graded you could pick up from at the standard you're currently confident with sightreading and work through up to the standard of the grade you are at. The sightreading problem has probably arisen due to your fast pace: it's not something that one can immediately do; it just takes time, I for one certainly wish it didn't
.A good source of information about exam nerves is "These Music Exams" I read it before every exam I do: it explains the marking, a view from the examiners side of the desk and has tips on coping with nerves.
Once again I must point out that I'm not trying to offend you by making these suggestions; merely trying to offer some tips on how to overcome your fears. Good luck with your future exams and I hope that your nerves improve
.
hey, all I've got to say is....Just chill for a while! don't worry,
everybody has issues with fear, whether you know it or not. And there are a lot of fears concerning exams (not just with music)
not trying to sound extreme or anything, but do you think you could have a physcological block? I know a friend who had one over math tests and she just couldn't get through them. If so, maybe you should see a physcologist to help you with your problem.
everybody has issues with fear, whether you know it or not. And there are a lot of fears concerning exams (not just with music)
not trying to sound extreme or anything, but do you think you could have a physcological block? I know a friend who had one over math tests and she just couldn't get through them. If so, maybe you should see a physcologist to help you with your problem.
Although I haven't failed any music exams (haven't taken any to fail) I have failed GCSE and A-Level exams and my best piece of advice to anyone is to sit back take stock and look at some of the possible reasons why you failed. Did you revise/practice enough, was your performance in the exam on the day a problem or something else.
Sometimes just looking at the factors leading up to an exam faliure is enough to ensure a pass the next time because you don't make the same mistakes again.
Also there are times when you need just to relax and enjoy your music or subject for a while without the pressure of an exam and when it does come around to it you will pass because you have done something for yourself and not just an exam pass.
At times we need to fail temporarly in something to apprechate the value of something. I realise now that if I hadn't have failed my GCSE and A-Levels and then retaken them that I would have been no where near ready for University at the age of 18. Instead I went at 21 and felt far more capable to tackle the whole event, I graduated with a 2:2 in History, not bad for someone who was diagnosed with dyslexia at the age of 21. Sometimes just that few months of extra maturity can make a world of diffrence to the way we perform.
Sometimes just looking at the factors leading up to an exam faliure is enough to ensure a pass the next time because you don't make the same mistakes again.
Also there are times when you need just to relax and enjoy your music or subject for a while without the pressure of an exam and when it does come around to it you will pass because you have done something for yourself and not just an exam pass.
At times we need to fail temporarly in something to apprechate the value of something. I realise now that if I hadn't have failed my GCSE and A-Levels and then retaken them that I would have been no where near ready for University at the age of 18. Instead I went at 21 and felt far more capable to tackle the whole event, I graduated with a 2:2 in History, not bad for someone who was diagnosed with dyslexia at the age of 21. Sometimes just that few months of extra maturity can make a world of diffrence to the way we perform.
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