If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis, would you recommend that she have an abortion???
Think carefully about this one......
Because if u said yes...
U KILLED BEETHOVEN!!!
Just an interesting thing...lol
Full Version: An Interesting Question And Fact!
Underwhelmed.
ooh...really? By the way, don't use text talk...people who dont have English as a native language might not understand...
I find that pretty incredible. That's the sort of thing we need to be looking at with all this abortion debate going on. Thanks for sharing it Marfleet! 
Matt
Matt
QUOTE(crazy_purple_piano_freak @ Aug 9 2005, 09:10 AM)
ooh...really? By the way, don't use text talk...people who dont have English as a native language might not understand...
or people over the age of 20
QUOTE(ianfiat @ Aug 9 2005, 11:16 AM)
QUOTE(crazy_purple_piano_freak @ Aug 9 2005, 09:10 AM)
ooh...really? By the way, don't use text talk...people who dont have English as a native language might not understand...
or people over the age of 20
exCUSE me - I'm just a bit over the age of 20 and I have no difficulty understanding text talk - (whether or not I like it is another question!
QUOTE(ianfiat @ Aug 9 2005, 07:16 AM)
QUOTE(crazy_purple_piano_freak @ Aug 9 2005, 09:10 AM)
ooh...really? By the way, don't use text talk...people who dont have English as a native language might not understand...
or people over the age of 20
I AM over the age of 20 and you're wrong mate.
pbtthhh LOL
QUOTE(maggiemay @ Aug 9 2005, 07:26 AM)
QUOTE(ianfiat @ Aug 9 2005, 11:16 AM)
QUOTE(crazy_purple_piano_freak @ Aug 9 2005, 09:10 AM)
ooh...really? By the way, don't use text talk...people who dont have English as a native language might not understand...
or people over the age of 20
exCUSE me - I'm just a bit over the age of 20 and I have no difficulty understanding text talk - (whether or not I like it is another question!
Top of the mornin' to you Her Magginess LOL
I know plenty of people 20+ who can understand text language!
QUOTE(nicki_flute @ Aug 9 2005, 01:01 PM)
I know plenty of people 20+ who can understand text language!
ME too! And the original poster didn't really use an overdose of text talk!
Amazing bit of info - thanks for sharing
However, please see these articles for some other opinions on the truth behind Beethoven (which doesn't actually affect the impact of the idea regarding abortion, of course)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ademu/Beethoven/#n20
and
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/beethovenabort.htm
Here's and excerpt from the first website:
"20. Is it true that Beethoven's mother got seven or more children, of which most of them were deaf or blind or otherwise disabled, probably due to syphilis?
No, that's not true. When she married Johann van Beethoven she was already a widow. Both her husband and her young baby had died. Nothing is known about the cause of their deaths. In 1769 she gave birth to Johann's first child, but it died at the age of six days. Then followed our great composer, then his brother Caspar Anton Carl, who died in 1815 of tuberculosis, then his brother Nikolaus Johann, who died in 1848 of old age. Three more children (one boy, two girls) followed, all of them died very soon, respectively at the age of four days, two years and one year. Nothing is known about the causes of their deaths. Beethoven's mother died of tuberculosis (in 1787), Beethoven's father probably of a heart attack (in 1792).
For more information:
Schmidt-Görg, Joseph. Beethoven. Die Geschichte seiner Familie. (Bonn, 1964).
Schmidt-Görg, Joseph. Des Bäckermeister Gottfried Fischer Aufzeichnungen über Beethovens Jugend. (Bonn, 1971).
Mann, Werner. Beethoven in Bonn. Seine Familie, seine Lehrer und Freunde. (Bonn, omstreeks 1982).
"
Hope that's helpful. Apparently it's an "eRumour".
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ademu/Beethoven/#n20
and
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/beethovenabort.htm
Here's and excerpt from the first website:
"20. Is it true that Beethoven's mother got seven or more children, of which most of them were deaf or blind or otherwise disabled, probably due to syphilis?
No, that's not true. When she married Johann van Beethoven she was already a widow. Both her husband and her young baby had died. Nothing is known about the cause of their deaths. In 1769 she gave birth to Johann's first child, but it died at the age of six days. Then followed our great composer, then his brother Caspar Anton Carl, who died in 1815 of tuberculosis, then his brother Nikolaus Johann, who died in 1848 of old age. Three more children (one boy, two girls) followed, all of them died very soon, respectively at the age of four days, two years and one year. Nothing is known about the causes of their deaths. Beethoven's mother died of tuberculosis (in 1787), Beethoven's father probably of a heart attack (in 1792).
For more information:
Schmidt-Görg, Joseph. Beethoven. Die Geschichte seiner Familie. (Bonn, 1964).
Schmidt-Görg, Joseph. Des Bäckermeister Gottfried Fischer Aufzeichnungen über Beethovens Jugend. (Bonn, 1971).
Mann, Werner. Beethoven in Bonn. Seine Familie, seine Lehrer und Freunde. (Bonn, omstreeks 1982).
"
Hope that's helpful. Apparently it's an "eRumour".
There are lots more interesting facts about world leaders.
Google? And do a search on JF Kennedy.
Google? And do a search on JF Kennedy.
Actually, it relates to JS Bach, not Beethoven.
And this is NOT, repeat NOT the place for a discussion on the rights and wrongs of abortion.
And this is NOT, repeat NOT the place for a discussion on the rights and wrongs of abortion.
QUOTE(Deborah @ Aug 10 2005, 08:01 AM)
And this is NOT, repeat NOT the place for a discussion on the rights and wrongs of abortion.
True, but I didn't see anyone having one......
QUOTE(Deborah @ Aug 10 2005, 09:01 AM)
And this is NOT, repeat NOT the place for a discussion on the rights and wrongs of abortion.
Indeed.
(and apologies for any offence in my posts)
QUOTE(DomRUK @ Aug 9 2005, 01:42 PM)
However, please see these articles for some other opinions on the truth behind Beethoven (which doesn't actually affect the impact of the idea regarding abortion, of course)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ademu/Beethoven/#n20
and
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/beethovenabort.htm
Here's and excerpt from the first website:
"20. Is it true that Beethoven's mother got seven or more children, of which most of them were deaf or blind or otherwise disabled, probably due to syphilis?
No, that's not true. When she married Johann van Beethoven she was already a widow. Both her husband and her young baby had died. Nothing is known about the cause of their deaths. In 1769 she gave birth to Johann's first child, but it died at the age of six days. Then followed our great composer, then his brother Caspar Anton Carl, who died in 1815 of tuberculosis, then his brother Nikolaus Johann, who died in 1848 of old age. Three more children (one boy, two girls) followed, all of them died very soon, respectively at the age of four days, two years and one year. Nothing is known about the causes of their deaths. Beethoven's mother died of tuberculosis (in 1787), Beethoven's father probably of a heart attack (in 1792).
For more information:
Schmidt-Görg, Joseph. Beethoven. Die Geschichte seiner Familie. (Bonn, 1964).
Schmidt-Görg, Joseph. Des Bäckermeister Gottfried Fischer Aufzeichnungen über Beethovens Jugend. (Bonn, 1971).
Mann, Werner. Beethoven in Bonn. Seine Familie, seine Lehrer und Freunde. (Bonn, omstreeks 1982).
"
Hope that's helpful. Apparently it's an "eRumour".
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ademu/Beethoven/#n20
and
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/beethovenabort.htm
Here's and excerpt from the first website:
"20. Is it true that Beethoven's mother got seven or more children, of which most of them were deaf or blind or otherwise disabled, probably due to syphilis?
No, that's not true. When she married Johann van Beethoven she was already a widow. Both her husband and her young baby had died. Nothing is known about the cause of their deaths. In 1769 she gave birth to Johann's first child, but it died at the age of six days. Then followed our great composer, then his brother Caspar Anton Carl, who died in 1815 of tuberculosis, then his brother Nikolaus Johann, who died in 1848 of old age. Three more children (one boy, two girls) followed, all of them died very soon, respectively at the age of four days, two years and one year. Nothing is known about the causes of their deaths. Beethoven's mother died of tuberculosis (in 1787), Beethoven's father probably of a heart attack (in 1792).
For more information:
Schmidt-Görg, Joseph. Beethoven. Die Geschichte seiner Familie. (Bonn, 1964).
Schmidt-Görg, Joseph. Des Bäckermeister Gottfried Fischer Aufzeichnungen über Beethovens Jugend. (Bonn, 1971).
Mann, Werner. Beethoven in Bonn. Seine Familie, seine Lehrer und Freunde. (Bonn, omstreeks 1982).
"
Hope that's helpful. Apparently it's an "eRumour".
Thnx for this bit of info!!!
Whether or not it's true that Beethoven's mother had syphilis - up until antibiotics were invented, it was a very common cause of late miscarriage, death in infancy and disability - especially eye problems - from 16th century onwards. It was also the cause of the delightfully named 'general paralysis of the insane' - the last stage of the disease.
this is random but apparently beethoven liked coffee with 60 coffee beans...
Did Europeans have access to coffee back in those days?..can't see him reaching for the Nescafe or the cappucino myself! hehe
QUOTE(Frankie82 @ Aug 10 2005, 08:46 PM)
Did Europeans have access to coffee back in those days?..can't see him reaching for the Nescafe or the cappucino myself! hehe
It was long established by Beethoven's time. J S Bach wrote a "Coffee Cantata", sung by a soprano acting the part of a young lady with a passion for it.
Brahms was a bit of a coffee fiend too - the stronger the better. Can't stand the stuff myself (but Brahms is cool though!).
QUOTE(CrazyDudette22 @ Aug 10 2005, 08:18 PM)
this is random but apparently beethoven liked coffee with 60 coffee beans...
Yep, it's true. 60 beans. No more, no less.
QUOTE(kenm @ Aug 10 2005, 11:49 PM)
QUOTE(Frankie82 @ Aug 10 2005, 08:46 PM)
Did Europeans have access to coffee back in those days?..can't see him reaching for the Nescafe or the cappucino myself! hehe
It was long established by Beethoven's time. J S Bach wrote a "Coffee Cantata", sung by a soprano acting the part of a young lady with a passion for it.
I was ecstatic yesterday when I found, in a shop, a double espresso cup with the opening bars of Bach's Coffee Cantata on it
Coffee was an expensive imported good in Europe at the time, arriving first through the Turkey and being popularised by the Medicis. There was a strong link between intellectuals and drinking coffee, with coffee houses being dubbed 'penny universities' - one could go in and buy a cup of coffee, and take part in debate and discussion on all matters.
(Sorry, I'm a coffee nut, I'll shut up now
)
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