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iona
QUOTE(Jen W @ Sep 24 2005, 04:20 PM)
Thanks Iona - I'll have a look at their website.  I've a few years yet (well, four to be precise) before I'll be looking at courses, so I think carrying on with the ABRSM theory exams is a good idea in the meantime (hmm, not sure how far I'll get with the practical in four years, but you never know..... wink.gif )
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The ABRSM theory books are very good prep. material for these courses. Practically everyone I met said that having applied they then went out and bought an armful of the books and worked their way through them. Having said that, once on the course, the learning curve in musicianship was pretty steep. There's also a strong emphasis on aural, but they do run an aural 'support class' which is free once you've enroled and which I found to be excellent. It's all modular. so although you're supposed to take each level over a given period of time, you can in fact take longer and just do one module for example. Whatever fits in with your life really.
As for your instrument, standard does seem to vary. A lot on the Certificate course were grade 8. Some were working for their Dip. However, I would say grade 6 ish would probably be O.K. at that level. It really only becomes an issue when (if) you want to transfer to the degree course.

Good Luck with everything
iona
Jen W
QUOTE(iona @ Sep 25 2005, 04:08 PM)
The ABRSM theory books are very good prep. material for these courses. Practically everyone I met said that having applied they then went out and bought an armful of the books and worked their way through them. Having said that, once on the course, the learning curve in musicianship was pretty steep. There's also a strong emphasis on aural, but they do run an aural 'support class' which is free once you've enroled and which I found to be excellent. It's all modular. so although you're supposed to take each level over a given period of time, you can in fact take longer and just do one module for example. Whatever fits in with your life really.
As for your instrument, standard does seem to vary. A lot on the Certificate course were grade 8. Some were working for their Dip. However, I would say grade 6 ish would probably be O.K. at that level. It really only becomes an issue when (if) you want to transfer to the degree course.

Good Luck with everything
iona
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Thanks Iona - that's given me a good idea of where to aim smile.gif
Clarissa
Hi Iona,

Goldsmiths sounds really interesting especially as they cater part time evenings for those with a low level of knowledge like me. I've looked on their website. One thing which isn't made clear ,or maybe I missed it, was how many of the options courses were to be taken alongside the core subjects to pass the course at either foundation or certificate level. Perhaps you could clarify that for me with the benefit of your insider knowledge! It's definately something for me to consider for the future. I think the idea of a standard entrance test is great as it ensures you end up on the most appropriate course. Incidentally are your degree lectures all day time or do they do evenings for that as well? Thanks.
iona

Hi Clarissa,

I know that things have changed a little since I did the course, but not very much. I think they've introduced a couple of new modules and dropped others, and reduced the number of hours attendance required that sort of thing.
Each module is allocated a number of points. Some are 30, others 20, others 15 and you need to take modules to the value of 120 points. (For the Cert. that is, I'm not sure about the other levels). I think the points system relates to the number of hours attendance and the amount of work that is required. You're right,- it isn't evident from the website, but the prospectus will lay it all out for you. For the Cert. I did 6 modules over two years. i.e. 3 a year made up of the 2 compulsory ones plus four choices. There's less to do on the Pre Foundation and Foundation levels.
Unfortunately transferring onto the degree course means attending day time lectures, but compulsory College contact time isn't all that much. If you need to, you can get away with just attending 2 or 3 lectures a week (about 2 hours per lecture, plus the odd tutorial).
My advice , if you're not sure about enroling on an accredited course, is just to do one class, one evening, for interest. (Voice or piano or something). That way you get used to the College lay-out and the people, and you're not under any pressure to achieve anything. I heard of one chap who'd been going for 30 years (!!) to do the same singing class.
Hope that helps. Feel free to ask more questions.
all the best
iona
iona
QUOTE(iona @ Sep 27 2005, 11:43 AM)
Hi Clarissa,

I know that things have changed a little since I did the course, but not very much. I think they've introduced a couple of new modules and dropped others, and reduced the number of hours attendance required that sort of thing.
Each module is allocated a number of points. Some are 30, others 20, others 15  and you need to take modules to the value of 120 points. (For the Cert. that is, I'm not sure about the other levels). I think the points system relates to the number of hours attendance and the amount of work that is required. You're right,- it isn't evident from the website, but the prospectus will lay it all out for you. For the Cert. I did 6 modules over two years. i.e. 3 a year made up of  the 2 compulsory ones plus four choices. There's less to do on the Pre Foundation and Foundation levels.
Unfortunately transferring onto the degree course means attending day time lectures, but compulsory College contact time isn't all that much. If you need to, you can get away with just attending  2 or 3  lectures a week (about 2 hours per lecture, plus the odd tutorial).
My advice , if you're not sure about  enroling on an accredited course, is just to do one class, one evening, for interest. (Voice or piano or something). That way you get used to the College lay-out and the people, and you're not under any pressure to achieve anything. I heard of one chap who'd been going for 30 years (!!) to do the same singing class.
Hope that helps. Feel free to ask more questions.
all the best
iona

PS By the way...I had hold of the prospectus for about 2 years before finally plucking up the courage to 'go for it' !
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Ellie S
Clarissa, not sure where you are in the South East, but I believe Watford School of Music (run by county) offer A level music to adults. Although it sounds like maybe you won't need the A level anyway.
Clarissa
QUOTE(Ellie S @ Sep 27 2005, 12:57 PM)
Clarissa, not sure where you are in the South East, but I believe Watford School of Music (run by county) offer A level music to adults. Although it sounds like maybe you won't need the A level anyway.
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Ellie- Watford is really too far to be practical, but thanks for the suggestion.

Iona- Thanks for all the information. I'll request a prospectus so that I'll have full details of what each course entails. It would probably be a couple of years before I'd feel ready to commit to a whole course. I want to concentrate on improving my playing some more first. A full course would take up too much time at the moment. Your idea about just enrolling for 1 class to get a feel for it is a good one. I wouldn't have thought of doing that. I wonder if they would let you carry any" credits" forward if you later enrolled for the accredited course. It would seem to be a spectacular waste of everyone's time to have to repeat a class if the knowledge gained was still relatively fresh. Thanks again for all your input it's much appreciated.
iona
Clarissa,

I'm quite sure that people have carried credits forward, but I suspect it's been allowed because they've then gone on to enrol formally fairly soon afterwards. A lot of people start with a Saturday afternoon class in piano or guitar or something to 'find their feet'. I think if you're interested in one class, you just approach the tutor directly. Their info should be on the webpage/prospectus.

They also have a couple of Open days each year which are well attended by all and sundry, and give you a chance to look around, ask questions, sometimes sit in on a class or performance . I think there's one coming up soon. There's usually one on a Saturday in the Summer term too. You could e-mail Pace to find out when the next one is. Don't be afraid to mail the contacts given. They're all highly approachable. Their whole ethos is to bring people in from the community.
iona
benjaminja
Hello

I'm new too and excited about "meeting" other adult learners!

Did you know the Open College of Arts offers 3 60-point courses in music composition? The first course is an accredited Level 1 course and I believe the College (which is affiliated to the OU) has applied for accreditation for their more advanced courses (presumably levels 2 and 3). So if you were studying Music with the OU and wanted to include Composition or didn't want to take subjects outside of Music it is very possible! (I haven't done any of this myself but have been exploring in great detail on the net!)

I hope that helps a few people!

Ben
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