Steve being moderated????! Whatever have I missed ??!!!

I'm not any more. I don't actually know why I was being moderated - they would not say - although I can hazard a guess. Read here, although the entertainment starts for real about 3 pages in.

Steve

If you can call it entertainment.

Depends how you look at it cd. Taking it seriously would certainly be a bad idea.

I think it was taken seriously by quite a lot of people on this forum - and one of them was so upset by it she hasn't contirbuted anything since.

That is her choice.

Talking of balls there's a wonderful set of programme notes from the opera Carmen - and aargh!!! I can't find my copy - it was on the kitchen table when I didn't need it, and now I want it, I can't find it anywhere!!! It's hilarious..........watch this space, I'll post it as soon as I find it!!!!!!!!


Incidentally it wasn't her choice to be hurt and upset. I would have thought you might possibly have a little understanding and sympathy as you seemed to be upset by people criticising one of your posts recently.....which is exactly the same as people were doing to her last week.

But unfortunately Steve, by having your so called entertainment you have deprived a lot of other people on these forums of the chance to read informative & interesting imformation on a subject which they are interested in, even if you're not. I have no doubt that on piano/ piano teaching related matters you may be streets ahead of the rest of us but that doesn't give you the right to be so condemning on other topics which you personally don't know a great deal about.
You didn't like 2 people picking you up on 1 small part of your post - "do unto others as you would have done unto yourself"

Hmmm. Double edged sword there. Maybe you did not notice the annoyance of some other contributors to the thread. Read it again if you did not.

I say again, it is up to individuals to decide whether to contribute or not. Their decision is nothing to do with me.

Steve

Steve, do you not have the wisdom to let this drop? Try to ignore Kodaly threads if they irritate you so much.
Just another point - the person in question that was so hurt, by others yes, but especially by you (as you can't resist further digs at every opportunity), is so well thought of that she has written articles for the ABRSM publications. Have you the same standing?

I wasn't irritated. Perhaps if the Kodaly enthusiasts picked their interventions with more care then others would not be either. In the thread mentioned, I criticised a specific intervention. Certain people piled in after that with their dogmatic insistance that theirs is the only way and and the whole thread disintegrated subsequently.

As to, "Steve, do you not have the wisdom to let this drop? Try to ignore Kodaly threads if they irritate you so much." I do not contribute to Kodaly threads; to do wo would be inappropriate. When I am already contributing to a thread and Kodaly enthusiasts pile in making dogmatic statements, then I have the right to put a different viewpoint. So do others.

I will not be silenced simply because some people do not like this. Neither will others.

Steve

FOUND IT!!!!

ACT FOUR: A Place in Seville. Procession of Ballfighters. The roaring of Balls is heared in the arena. Escamillio enters (Aria and chorus : "Toreador. Toreador. All hail the Balls of a toreador"). Enter Don Jose (Aria : "I be smooch you"). Carmen repels him. She wants to join with Escamillio now chaired by the crowd. Don Jose stabbs her. (Aria : "Oh, rupture, rupture"). He sings : "Oh, my subductive Carmen."

(From Genoa Opera's 1981 production.)

And from what I remember your criticism of that 'specific intervention' as you put it was done in a particularly insensitive and hurtful way - and your sly digs since have been the same.

I feel that the intervention I criticised way hurtful and unneccessary. I have made no digs since, sly or otherwise. For quite a lot of the intervening period I was under moderation and would not have been allowed to. This has resurfaced tonight.

I will state my case whenever I feel the need to.

Steve

Yes the sly digs are now the worst part of all this eg the room 101 thread. Are you so nasty & insensitve when talking face-to-face with someone? We are all entitled to an opinion but we don't have to be insulting to people with a different opinion. And you Steve are dogmatic on a whole heap of things- unfortunately nobody challenges you about them

I will readily reply when challenged. This appears to make me unpopular with some but I will continue to do it.

Andy, I have asked you to come to Misterton. I have stated that I would gladly join a pressure group to open up Kodaly training to all pupils. I have offered you a positive reply to your posting about your positive experience on your week of training this summer.

I am not against Kodaly. I cannot be. I am against the dogmatic thrusting down our throats of this musical training at every possible opportunity.

I will continue to say so. I am entitled to.

Steve

Fantastic.

Yes maybe you are entitled to, but I don't think anyone's entitled to hurt someone else. Surely as a musician yourself you know how sensitive musicians can be to criticism (and being married yourself you must be able to understand how sensitive women can be - ask my husband! no, on second thoughts, don't!!!) To be fair, it wasn't just you in that thread and there was a particularly rude comment from someone else which offended a lot of people, but you're the one who has been posting sly digs since, and to anyone already raw from that particular incident it must seem like rubbing more salt into the wounds. I don't want to fall out with you, I'm just trying to ask you to understand how hurt she was, and maybe to ask you not to make any more comments that might add further hurt. (Trying to be a peacemaker here - no, not a pacemaker!!!) Or at least if you have to disagree, to do it in the nicest possible, genial nutcase sort of way!!!


In actual fact, the post you criticised was in no way meant to be hurtful - in fact it wasn't taken in that spirit either from what I can gather. And by the way, I've got a nice yellow sponge ball you can play with if you want to - and the real chocolate dog has got loads of round object toys too!!!!!

Chocolatedog has just said roughly what I was about to add. Yes Steve. You are entiltled to your your opinion as we all are, but not when it is insulting, hurtful and insensitive to another forums member. If you don't like something someone has said, a tactful response is all that is needed, not a blistering attack on someone who is passionate about what they do and offering advice because they consider it relevant.

We all have a lot to offer on these forums. We aren't all going to agree on everything but surely mature adults can argue their viewpoint effectively without resorting to a personal assault on someone offering helpful advice.





Really? Lets see, in Room 101




In reply to Sarah_flute




There was nothing remotely entertaining about the personal assault that occurred in that thread.


Everyone? Hmmm I don't think so.


It is not against forum rules to discuss or mention Kodaly, but it is to insult, be rude and offensive. As I've said before, I don't know much about Kodaly but I'm looking forward to learning. Who knows this time next year I may be one of the anti-Kodaly brigade, but I doubt it. Yesterday I read an excellent article on Kodaly and his approach to pre-instrumental training, which was written by Cyrilla. Interestingly, I have never seen a criticism of Kodaly's perspective from anyone who actually knows anything about it.



No comment!

Folks, this is getting more than a tad boring for the common reader. The fallings out happened, the moderation happened, the topic of the thread's disappeared beyond tracing and we're now rehashing the history of a disagreement.

This thread's generating more heat than light, to no-one's benefit.

Is it time to give it a rest?

And before someone says "But he/she started it", I'm respectfully suggesting that it be finished.

Cheers

Katyjay

I can't believe my simple question caused so much arguing! (Shan't be posting again for a while!)

scoobydog

Don't say that, Scoobydog. I think it was an important and useful issue. I'm just very sad that the thread got hijacked.

Please continue to contribute.

Cheers

Katyjay

Yes Katyjay, maybe it is time to give it a rest. In fact it should have been laid to rest a week ago. The problem is the jibes and digs occur in other threads in other forums, not just this one, and that needs to stop too or else there isn't much point in stopping here. As for it being 'a tad boring for the common reader', haven't you read Steve's description as 'real entertainment'? Still I'm sure someone with his 'massive self-confidence' will be able to cope with the latter posts of this thread.

Quite frankly, Noodle, I don't give a stuff which forum, thread or date in the past this sniping occured. Or who started it or who said what. I just don't want to see it. Anywhere on the forums. Or from anyone

Lets all get back to talking about MUSIC.

Last I'm going to say on this thread.

Cheers

Katyjay

Am I supposed to care what you think? Nobody is making you read something you don't want to. So if you don't like it, do what I do and simply don't read the thread.

[quote=noodle,Sep 22 2005, 11:48 PM]
[quote=SteveHopwood,Sep 22 2005, 11:17 PM][quote=Andy-piano-flute,Sep 22 2005, 10:11 PM][quote=chocolatedog,Sep 22 2005, 11:02 PM]

And from what I remember your criticism of that 'specific intervention' as you put it was done in a particularly insensitive and hurtful way - and your sly digs since have been the same.

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Yes the sly digs are now the worst part of all this eg the room 101 thread. Are you so nasty & insensitve when talking face-to-face with someone? We are all entitled to an opinion but we don't have to be insulting to people with a different opinion. And you Steve are dogmatic on a whole heap of things- unfortunately nobody challenges you about them

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I will readily reply when challenged. This appears to make me unpopular with some but I will continue to do it.

Andy, I have asked you to come to Misterton. I have stated that I would gladly join a pressure group to open up Kodaly training to all pupils. I have offered you a positive reply to your posting about your positive experience on your week of training this summer.

I am not against Kodaly. I cannot be. I am against the dogmatic thrusting down our throats of this musical training at every possible opportunity.

I will continue to say so. I am entitled to.

Steve

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Chocolatedog has just said roughly what I was about to add. Yes Steve. You are entiltled to your your opinion as we all are, but not when it is insulting, hurtful and insensitive to another forums member. If you don't like something someone has said, a tactful response is all that is needed, not a blistering attack on someone who is passionate about what they do and offering advice because they consider it relevant.

We all have a lot to offer on these forums. We aren't all going to agree on everything but surely mature adults can argue their viewpoint effectively without resorting to a personal assault on someone offering helpful advice.



[quote]I have made no digs since, sly or otherwise
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Really? Lets see, in Room 101
[quote] a certain music teaching method[/quote]

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My new Motto: Be nice to everybody,
well nearly everybody, anyhow
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In reply to Sarah_flute
[quote]We are still in each other's gangs
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[quote]...although the real entertainment starts for real about 3 pages in
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There was nothing remotely entertaining about the personal assault that occurred in that thread.

[quote]great admiration for anyone working with under 7s
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Everyone? Hmmm I don't think so.


It is not against forum rules to discuss or mention Kodaly, but it is to insult, be rude and offensive. As I've said before, I don't know much about Kodaly but I'm looking forward to learning. Who knows this time next year I may be one of the anti-Kodaly brigade, but I doubt it. Yesterday I read an excellent article on Kodaly and his approach to pre-instrumental training, which was written by Cyrilla. Interestingly, I have never seen a criticism of Kodaly's perspective from anyone who actually knows anything about it.

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I am definitely going to behave myself then. Much longer in purdah and I was going to take my ball and find somewhere else to play.
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No comment!

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Thanks noodle - it was all those small comments I was referring to.

Scoobydog - please continue to contribute - we were only picking up on something that seemed to be a tad hypocritical, and which a much bigger group of members were already feeling anyway. It was not aimed at you in anyway, and I apologise if we have put you off at all. The thread we were referring to actually turned very nasty in the end, and again the original contruibutor seems to have been put off a bit too by the later development of it.

Sorry Katyjay, but we were putting into words a lot of feeling which had been flying around and we felt needed to be said. Apologies, but also as noodle says, if a thread doesn't interest me, I don't read it.