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#1 adagiok5

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 13:42

Am I correct in thinking that there is going to be a new piano scales syllabus? If so does anyone know when the syllabus is likely to change? Thank you
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Posted 02 January 2018 - 13:47

I was sent a questionnaire about a change of syllabus but don't think there was any suggested date for a change.
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Posted 02 January 2018 - 14:05

Thank you Latin pianist
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Posted 02 January 2018 - 14:39

I didn’t get the questionnaire, but someone flagged it up on here, and I went online and completed it anyway.

I seem to remember it gave no detail, other than changes that were being considered at each grade.
Looked as though they simply wanted to be able to say, at some point in the future ‘ consumers were consulted’.
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#5 LouiseW

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 22:05

A consultation document with proposals for changes at each grade was published in November and followed up with a survey of teachers opinions.

 

No timescale was given, but if it follows the pattern of what happened when the woodwind scales were changed, I think they'll introduce the changes for the next syllabus (2019 - 2020) with the new scales expected from the first term of 2019 even if candidates are playing pieces from the 2017-2018 syllabus.

 

I may be wrong - but that's what I'm expecting to happen...


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#6 jpiano

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 22:57

I filled in the questionnaire- hope it wasn't a box-ticking exercise as some of the changes were fiddly and over-complicated.


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Posted 02 January 2018 - 23:52

They did a similar consultation for woodwind a couple of years ago (I have just checked, and it was Jan-June 2015).  The changes have just come in with the new 2018-2021 syllabus, and apply to anyone using the 2014 syllabus during the overlap.  Given that your piano syllabus changes more frequently than the wind one, I don't know whether the 2-year timescale would be the same, or whether it would change with your new syllabus next year.  

 

From what I can recall, the changes are pretty much the same as the proposals which were consulted on.


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 09:33

From what I remember, the new proposed requirements were even more onerous than the present ones.


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 10:04

I liked the early grade requirements better but the higher grades looked horrendous.
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Posted 03 January 2018 - 11:12

Please, can anyone give an outline of what the changes are, or post a link?


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 12:01

I'm sure someone will find a link soon. What I remember are whole-tone scales and 2 against 3 ( with a written example that wouldn't actually work). No thanks.


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 12:03

Please, can anyone give an outline of what the changes are, or post a link?

The worst thing about it that I noticed was that some scales you did one way and other scales a different way. 

I would imagine it a nightmare to keep track of if you were learning/teaching to the syllabus at some point.

Much easier to do every variation with every scale than to try to remember which is which. Would be for me anyway.


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#13 HelenVJ

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 13:28

Possibly enough teachers voiced their misgivings for the board to consider having a re-think.


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#14 LouiseW

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 15:21

Please, can anyone give an outline of what the changes are, or post a link?

 

I just found the original email I got from ABRSM - subject 'Our Piano Scales Review' received 3 Nov 2017 but the link in it to the proposals no longer works - page not found...

 

From memory, principles were introducing new keys hands separately; a wider range of scale types - e.g. at grade 4, staccato scale, dom 7 & combined similar/contrary scale called 'russian pattern' introduced with keys spread across different types; a nasty looking two against 3 scale at grade 8...

 

As others have said, it looked as though it would be very difficult for teachers and students to keep track of the requirements with so many different patterns required - especially from grade 4 up.


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 15:38

Possibly enough teachers voiced their misgivings for the board to consider having a re-think.

I hope so, but I fear maggiemay may be right, and they will just bring the changes out anyway accompanied by the line "Teachers were consulted"!  rolleyes.gif angry.png sad.png

 

Given other recent changes, and how unpopular they have been despite ABRSM insisting otherwise (e.g. theory exams), I'm afraid I'm not optimistic that we will actually be listened to.  sad.png   

 

If they do go ahead with the new scales as planned, sadly I may end up moving all my piano students over to Trinity (currently I let them choose, so I have some with each board).  I found the whole system confusing, illogical, impractical and just unnecessarily complicated.  


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