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#3301 Zixi

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Posted Yesterday, 17:59

I wonder if they do that with any other instrument. I'm struggling with it. I can't help thinking it's like asking a water colourist to paint in oils...


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Posted Yesterday, 18:19

I'm not sure there are many other instruments that are commonly played in such a wide range of sizes.  I've had a very quick look and for clarinet, say, there's just a list of pieces, no mention of eg bass clarinet.  On the other hand, you could argue that "clarinet" almost always means soprano clarinet in a way that is not quite true for recorder.  For saxophone, which does also come in a range of commonly used sizes, it has a list for Eb and a list for Bb pieces, so presumably you could get away with using only tenor or only alto, or alternatively use a mix of sizes, incl soprano and baritone.  As for recorder, it doesn't say you can't use alto, only that you don't have to: surely more like asking an artist to use the medium of their choice?


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#3303 elemimele

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Posted Yesterday, 20:45

we bring it on ourselves. I'd imagine quite a few saxophonists get away with owning a single instrument, but I'm guessing almost everyone here would struggle to remember exactly how many recorders they own.

I'm terrible, I play all my Van Eyck on a treble; I dread to think how that would fit with exam instructions. Maybe I can claim it's a descant in A = 294Hz... nah, they're never going to believe it.


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#3304 Maizie

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Posted Yesterday, 21:10

Because I happen to have the Trinity Woodwind syllabus pdf to hand and it's all together in one copy-and-paste-able place:

 

Flute

Piccolo and alto flute may be used only where stated in the syllabus.

 

Clarinet

C and beginner Eb clarinets may be used up to and including Grade 3. Any accompaniments will need to be transposed where appropriate. Eb and bass clarinets may be used only where stated in the syllabus.

 

Oboe
Cor anglais may be used only where stated in the syllabus.

 

Bassoon
Contrabassoon may be used only where stated in the syllabus. Mini bassoons and tenoroons may be used up to and including Grade 3. Any accompaniments will need to be transposed where appropriate.

 

Saxophone
Candidates may use one or any combination of saxophones. Technical work and supporting tests can be offered on either Bb or Eb saxophones at candidates’ choice.

 

Recorder
Candidates may use recorders with baroque fingering. Instruments using German fingering must not be used.
Instruments pitched at A=415Hz may be used where suitable accompanying instruments are available.
At Initial–Grade 5 candidates may play either descant or treble recorder, or a combination of the two.
At Grades 6–8 both descant and treble recorders must be played.
At all grades, one piece only may be played on tenor, sopranino or bass recorder.
At Initial, the piano part may be transposed down a 5th and the exam taken on treble. In all other grades transposition of set repertoire is not permitted.
At Initial–Grade 5, technical work and supporting tests can be offered on either descant or treble recorders.
At Grades 6–8, technical work must be taken on treble recorder. Sight reading and improvisation can be on descant or treble recorder at the candidates’ choice.

 

 

No idea about AB, since they provide them all as separate PDFs so I've never browsed the other woodwinds out of sheer nosiness/boredom ;)


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#3305 Zixi

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Posted Today, 08:57

Maizie - that's interesting. Thank you. And it reinforces my bias - I need a t-shirt that says: Equal rights for descant recorder! laugh.png


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Posted Today, 09:28

we bring it on ourselves. I'd imagine quite a few saxophonists get away with owning a single instrument, but I'm guessing almost everyone here would struggle to remember exactly how many recorders they own.

I'm terrible, I play all my Van Eyck on a treble; I dread to think how that would fit with exam instructions. Maybe I can claim it's a descant in A = 294Hz... nah, they're never going to believe it.

I've thought about this. I haven't been playing for long so I don't think I own *that* many. But as I've said before - I just like them. My husband collects (especially fountain) pens. I buy him some every Christmas to put in his Christmas stocking. He just likes them. I try to buy something unusual. Before I understood his obsession, I bought him a seriously expensive one - now I buy him interesting ones - quite often cheap - I get recommendations from a forum... I say all this because he thinks my fondness for (especially descant) recorders is like that. But I don't see it as a negative. I feel sorry for that person with their single grand piano... They have to make do when I can pull out a 'renaissance' recorder at the drop of a hat... rolleyes.gif I can't play it very well but hey ho... I live in hope... 

I've read enough about Van Eyck and heard enough of his music to form the opinion that he'd love that you play it and enjoy it. Bach strikes me like that too. The secular stuff I've come across is often very funny - he must have had a wonderful sense of humour and I'm sure that having fun was part of what they both wanted... Neither strike me as morose and judgemental... You play on... on whatever you like. I'm sure that both of them weren't that precious. I know that modern interpretations of Elizabethan drama drive me to distraction but the reality is, I'd rather someone made it accessible for everyone than just a few of us understood the jokes in Lear! rolleyes.gif I feel the same about computing too... we could have kept that one to ourselves - we wouldn't then have had to deal with the fallout (ads, pornography, scammers etc etc) but it's still better that it was made accessible even if I don't like what the rest of the world did with it and I weep for Berners-Lee...  As I see it there's enough Van Eyck for everyone... It's better played than put on a shelf for the few who could play it very well... I don't think for one moment he meant that. He taught - he understood. Just as Bach did... I'm sure!


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